Tuesday, November 25, 2008

11/25 Meeting my first ever wing after 2 1/2 years and GMU gaming

Hey everyone, today i visited one of the first two wings i ever had, Alex.
Couldn't recognize him but it seemed like things seem so familiar talking to the guy again. We got along as great as usual. We ate and discussed about game. He was still under the indirect style BUT he's getting day 2s and every thing. I told him about direct, he tried it, didn't do half bad and was liking it. He said that it was eye opening. I was glad :-). He saw me do a few and he noticed how some of the girls reacted as a result, how they really showed interested...even some things i didn't quite see :-). We tried to wing one group but it did ok...lol....

But me and him will absolutely wing in the future.lol.

Oh yea, met this Russian girl outside. She was cute, def attracted to her. Was pretty. We walked around, and i sat with her for 10 minutes....wanted to get her ice cream but she just ate and didn't want any haha....so we just sat down. It was funny she kept stating reasons for her to leave, but she never did. She followed my lead. Was great. But she didn't really have any time for us to meet up...she was always watching kids and every thing. Was thinking of going to GMU to attend, etc. was interesting talking to her. We connected in some levels. It was still good meeting her. I believe i made her day

11/23: More Gaming at UMW

Aright people, today i did some game at the cafeteria of UMW with Arnaud.
I pretty much went up to four girls, the first seemed caught off guard/shy...had braces...was cute but nothing too special. The second was a cute girl with glasses and black girl, wat i was naturally attracted to...another was a tall brunette with nice cleavage...definitely cute. But thats all for now there.

Def hot girls there, they just a little bit harder to find haha.

Monday, November 24, 2008

More Notes on Logistics

How often do girls leave clubs with guys?
Alot more than you think.

Logistics prevents it.

Catching them during the time they are looking to be loose, even if normally they wouldn't

Your giving her good sex that she hasn't really had/fun night/deep rapport

Being the guy can plug those gaps in the moment, can make the guy that takes her home

Game, those opportunities, is what gets you laid.

You Don't Want to be relationship material, just be good enough for sex. Just have enough comfort. Don't build too much comfort/knows you too well...she won't risk that.Women don't need to know all the details about u, they just need to have the sense.

If ur a guy who doesn't give it away, but enough to peak her curiousity....

Don't emotionally progesss, but logistically progress.


What will prevent her?
Pact that they go home together.
NY alot easier vs. LA, because girls arrive in the club either by themselves or leave by themselves.
NY so easy to take a cab.
Got to make it as easy as possible to get her home with you.
Make it seem as smooth and natural as possible.
The places being close and know how to get there without hassle.
With guy friends, they don't worry as much. With gf, it is tricker.
A) Build rapport with group
B) Put her away with the group
-How drunk she is.
-How many people see her leave. The more discrete, the better.
-If u need to put her away and have a conversation. Text her friends that she's gonna stay with another friend.
-Ask her if she's working tomorrow?
-Don't waste 4 hours of ur night talking to a girl when she's gotta get up at 6 AM. Came with 10 female friends, and she's not drinking. 1 drink and 8 drinks, give the girl the same excuse to her mind and friends. She can tell her friends and herself.
-Guy friend who play more of a protector: Thats a challenge. Its all in how u treat the other guys. If u come in a very strong frame, the guy's defenses will go up. If you go in wiht a cool, friendly guy. His alarm isn't going off that much, if he starts to act like an idiot in front of u....its too late. -If the guy is genuinely a protector that has no sexual interest, just have build extreme comfort with him...so he can build the torch to u, he'll be relieved. A guy he can trust, so he can meet girls himself.
-If the guy is trying to sleep with her, then u got to turn it around on him. "Wow...that guy is really really into u" and it will click in her mind. Hey, im just being friendly and talking to people

How do you take a girl out from the club?-Gradually building up compliance/Gradually build up the things u do with her. Take her to different places within that venue. Dance Floor, bar,meeting different friends, couch, bounce her to somewhere that isn't that far away and isn't that high investment. "Hey lets get a quick bite to eat/go to this other bar around the corner".
-Don't stand in that same spot for so long. If a girl doesn't like u enough to sit down to a couch with u, there's no way ur gonna take her home.
-She's more attracted to u/respected u cuz u made a move even if she says no at first.
-To actually hook up with a girl, u do need to move this forward.
-A good reason to move someone somewhere other than sex.
-Even if a girl knows deep down ur gonna take her home, a girl wants to come out of the club having Plausible Deniability.
-SEEDING is def a good thing to do, as later when u mention them...its not such a shock. Cuz if she rejects it in the beginning, u'll find out the possibility sooner lol.
-Whatever you say and do to convince, keep it light hearted.
-No need to try to objectively/logistically convince her

When do you do when a girl objects to coming home with you?
When a girl objects it, treat it as a non-issue. Keep on moving her. Just don't even worry about it. Don't treat anything as an issue. The question is: Is she still with you?

How sexual should you get in the club?
HANDJOB ON DANCE FLOOR:on dancefloor, start kino escalating on dance floor. First u want to slow dance, while everyone is fast dancing. She forgets every one. U just slowly move her hands to ur crotch. Then go down in your pants. Fun little gimick. Don't recommend for proper game.
If u want a SNL:
When in the club, be working attraction hard. Build alot of sexual tension. Have a sexual presence. Be a guy that puts sexual seeds..but don't act on em. Kiss her on the lips, don't be the sloppy make out guy either for anything longer than a minute. Be the guy that keeps her at the edge of her seat building that sexual tension. When that tension is high and she hasn't made out with u yet, thats when u logistically escalate. Then when u get home, bam...sexually escalate. "Damn u look so sexy tonight..." etc...

Taking a girl home from a date vs taking a girl home from a club
on Day 2, u don't have to deal with logistics as much. You control logistics. 100% control of her coming to house/etc. Logistics are in your favor. She's away from all her friends. Dates are all comfort and then doing logistical and physical escalation. In a night game, do just enough comfort so she feels safe.But ur game mainly is attraction. Spike her emotions, not logically. Have her having alot of fun.

Girl go make decisions from moment to moment
Can still get all kinds of issues.
Ignore her words and watch her actions!
As long as she's not leaving, its still on
Best thing to say is "Cool"

If you haven't had any good interactions by the end of the night, is the night lost?
See how many girls a girl leaves a night club without a guy?
Look around and see which groups of girls are still standing there kinda checking things out/not really in a rush to leave. Those girls u just look at them, grab ur friend. Go up to them. Make it easy for them. Don't make it a big compliance thing. Make it a small thing. Bounce with them.
Easiest way to have a small compliance to bounce her somewhere else.(Club). Pulling is messy.Its never clean cut.

Sunday, November 23, 2008

11/22 Return to Mary Washington and day 3 with Brunette Girl

Went down to go UMW for a day and stay over night. During the day, i eat with my best friend Arnaud, who also in the game....he just got to learn other ways of gaming, than dancing at night. Saw this cute curly haired girl who's by herself. Man oh man, is she even cuter up close. The approach went great...she had a great sense of humor, we flirted quite a bit. She asked me when im coming down. I told her once a month, she flirted with "I couldn't handle that. Why are u killing me like this?
:-p" Was funny.lol. She asked me how often i go up to girls and i told her that i lost count but that each girl has to be cute. I could tell there was interest. She couldn't believe that i was once shy too. Was funny. Got her number. Will hit her up over christmas break. Me and Arnaud then go to a dance show, i go up to this thick blonde, but her face was meh. She was sitting with other people and stuff. Afew of the dancers tho were gorgeous...that i couldn't believe myself. I wanted to go up to them when the performance was over. But one of them i hesitated and it was ok.

While my friend went to a Rugby Formal Date party, me and the girl i mentioned whom i took to a party a month ago, we watched a movie together in her room but her roommate was there(She was nice but didn't talk much). We talked quite a bit, good convo. It was funny whenever i was next to her(close)...kinoing her...her body was shaking a little bit and she noticed it. Tried to kiss her twice, but she declined. She mentioned she had a bf to me the first time i met her, but i ignored it u could say. After the 2nd time she rejected me trying to kiss her, she mentions him again. She def was telling the truth, because there was a picture frame of her and him. After that, i realized that she was faithful to him. My friend wanted me to party with him instead as i'd have better chances getting a lay, but i wanted to lie loose ends. I wanted to see how far i could get.

After the movie, me and her part ways...and I go pick up my friend, who is drunk as hell..and almost blacked out. I fussed at him cuz he wouldn't shut up and he was being annoying but it was the alcohol...so i couldn't be too mad haha.

But thats all for now :-)


Aright people, on Wednesday I started to do more 2 set approaches, but I still rusty with that. The big tit girl at the lab from yesterday texted me saying how she would be busy and stuff, which i told her i was glad that she let me know ahead of time. I still think she's def flattered of the idea of meeting up. Called the numbers i had gotten earlier in the week but none of them returned my texts.

Thursday, I stood up all day and got lots of rest. Thursday Night, Went to Rileys again(Haven't gone in a month and was rusty) was an aright night. I had fun, but the rest of the approaches were ok. The problem was that there quite a few girls whom i didn't recognize but that i had gamed already. I've met so many people so its justified.lol. This hot girl i know while i kept dancing and gaming different girls tried to get my attention in obvious ways(covered her hand on my face/tap me on the arm)..(I kinda didn't pay attention, because she was the attention whore/hang around with guys...kind of girl)...but that was it for the night. I think cuz i had alcohol in me, that i didn't give a rats ass about talking much, i just wanted to dance and that was it.

Friday, nothing much happened except i gamed this small hot blonde girl. She was flattered but was taken.

Thats all thus far.

Tuesday, November 18, 2008

11/18 Just Another Day

Aright everyone, today i approached like usual. Took about 30 seconds to approach this girl at starbucks since there were other girls next to her, plus when she looked at me for a sec...i knew i had to go over there. Had a good convo, its 50-50 if anything would even happen, eventho she seemed to have some interest. At work, saw this cute redhead/strawberry blonde think girl. I work at the help desk, helping students with their computers...and once she left the room where my other co-workers were sitting down at(some dudes, a few girls...are college students too)...i then gamed her and got her number, we'll see :-). At the cafeteria, decided to sit next to two girls again for the hell of it, as i know in the last few weeks...im gonna prolly do it a bit more. Also talk to this big tit thick brunette whom is at the lab each week im there...decided to talk to her...she was receptive...setting things up. We'll see :-). Gonna call the numbers i got tomorrow night, and tomorrow...gonna sit with one of the girls in my class. Hopefully...no one will be sitting already there when i arrive 5 min before class starts :-)

Monday, November 17, 2008

My Upcoming Plans: 24 Days Left of Gaming At Radford University

Aright everyone, there is only 24 days left of gaming at Radford University(excluding some days for finals and Thanksgiving Week)...i might be gaming at a club during then, not too sure. But there afew girls in two of my lecture hall classes that i want to give it a shot yet with. I got nothing to lose. Mine as well do my best, ya know?

For the next few weeks, i'll do my best. Not give myself too many headaches but at the same time....not be super lazy with not meeting some of the girls i fancy or see. Day Game i'll keep with what i'm doing since its all experience and night game here at this college....i'll use the advice given to me to propel myself further

11/17 The Rustiness is Dying and Insta-Date

Aright today I woke up not feeling 100%. After i leave a lab, go up to this hot redhead, get her number but i doubt she was genuinely interested. These days i can sense if a girl is interested or is just being polite. She was the latter. I stop another girl who's blonde, she thinks she did something wrong, but then realizes the situation. She then decides to walk with me as im off to walker, but then i decide we eat together first and she accepts. We go and talk for about 15 minutes and get to know each other. I find out she's not looking into dating anyone right now(Perfect, considering i don't want anything serious)...but i hope that she knew i was into her, but she must've considering she said, "Im not use to situations like these" She was cute, had nice sized tits, looked similar to a girl that i remember afew years ago. Was pretty great talking to her. Got her number. We'll see how it goes.

Missed an opportunity with this chick who i def wanted to fuck on first site, she was had a really nice body. But since i was wearing a crappy overlarged shirt and i was eating by myself that i'd be perceived as lower value. But u know what? Fuck all that! That does not matter. I sit by myself and eat because i don't give a shit of trying to contact people to meet up, i just care about going to cafeteria to eat and thats it.lol. So why in the hell should i not go for it? I rest my case. Tomorrow I will step it up. I have to these days.

More Q and A With DonSuave

ME:Hey DonSuave, how do you get through logistics for a college party to end in sex? It just seems like its hell(taking a girl from a club from my assumption doesn't seem as hard), even if she likes u, to get her back to ur place considering the amount of distractions and the fact that their friend is always dead set on bringing them back home with them, even if u befriend the friend.

Like i'll talk with the girl, dance with the girl, kiss with the girl...but then after that...they'll be distracted with something else or something else will happen. Going past this is my biggest sticking point. I know some logistics can't be helped, but is really this difficult? I know its not suppose to be the outcome we always think we're going to get but u know what i mean...

My opinion is as u said for clubs, to bounce...sometimes its hard to bounce somewhere else?


Depends where the party's at.
If it's a house party then bring her to the bathroom.
I've had friends banging chicks in bathrooms and I did it also.
If you just want to fuck you should stop giving yourself headaches with the game. You complicate your life for nothing.

I've said it before.
Just hit the gym get a nice style and be agressive/ suave. REAL SUAVE. If you don't know now you will, by trial and error.

Approach 10 000 chicks every night and eventually you'll find 1 that wants you, that has the guts to defy her friends and go against the group and could care less about logistics.

When a girl REALLY wants you to fuck her she DOESN'T CARE ABOUT LOGISTICS. I've had girls giving me blowjobs right on the street!

So your problem is really target selection and uncertainity.

Target selection:
You don't know which girl is down because you don't have enough experience. When you do, you will be able to tell which 1 is ready for a 1 night and which 1 is not. So the game will be much easier for you. So until you get it APPROACH...APPROACH...APPROACH until you find out

You think about details. Logistics blabla...That's really details. Important details but not so important at this stage. You should focus on working your attraction to the point where you become truly efficient and irresistible. Then you must never let her the time to think. Like after kiss you must isolate immediatly, rapport or physically escalate etc.

If you leave her time to think she will think about it twice you won't get her.
Cuz player's strengh comes from speed.

You should also not bother too much on this forum if you want to become a player.

Also I've never been there but I think this forum might be more what you are looking for


Sunday, November 16, 2008

More From Van Damme PART II

yea you'll notice when its "Go Time" when the couples are getting "lovey dovey", people are making out around you without caring about social pressure from others, etc. I think they call it "creepy times" or something on bootcamps, read it in the reviews.

1. I think I wouldn't make out that early in 10-15 min, but everyone is different. I think the only reason to makeout would be to be on the safe side and make sure the girl knows what is going to happen if she leaves with me, god forbid she thinks you're just friends leaving together, makeout erases that. instead of getting a makeout, work on keeping constant kino, claw on and off if its really makeoutworthy.

2. I thought the same thing man, like I'd leave and I'd think it was done. It can't be more backwards. The girl will think that you blew HER off because you wanted a way out of the conversation. Thats why you shouldnt make much creepy eye contact when you leave her to talk to others (you can leave her for your friends u dont gotta go straight to others girls).

Tyler talks about how no matter how much a girl likes you, she will refuse to reiniate contact (they are very uptight about this shit, like ur the "guy" she doenst wanna have to do nething), andit seems like she doesn't want to talk again. (social conditioning) The solution is to go back with and get back RIGHT where you left off. Don't make it like you're coming up to her and standing there, waiting for her validation to start laughing and having fun like she was last time. Just have the energy, "Heyyy u guys hows it goin so far" and just watch, they will snap RIGHT BACK into the nice giggly/whatever they were when you first talk to them. Try it you'll see, they truly beleive that you left either because you "ran away" or you don't like them anymore and were being nice and left. Leave absolutley NO room for the "awkwardness eye contact" and stuff that is drawing you the conclusion they want nothing to do with you. They're thinking "well wtf hes the one that left, wtf I am supposed to do when he looks over here again, wave at him???: (breaks eye contact, seems cold w/e)

All in all, don't make it seem like you ejected because you burned out, thats why I personally try to avoid eye contact until I re-initiate because I feel looking at each seriosuly and looking away without saying anything or waving/smiling will make it seem like your whole first ineraction was "fake" and you are moving on to other people. So make it appear genuine that you truly are having fun and like talking to lots of people. O yea, DO NOT value scan when you eject to talk to buddies, that makes it like game over because then she realizes you didn't leave because you wanted to talk to your buddies, but because you pussied out and want to find your "next target".

3. Yea man with more time, I realize its like the main thing and im workin on this shit every weekend too, gettin used to the rhythm of the night. If I fuck up and the girls leave alone, w/e but if they leave with another guy I am SUPER pissed cus what did he do better you know? so I always make sure to know the reason why it went with him /not me and analyze why things went right/wrong.

More from Van Damme PART I

(beforehand, this is my experience in my first quarter of college, I dunno how other parties are with you, here a lot of them are free walkins with a lot of people)

Dude, 30 minutes of talking? thats a LOT, you got the kiss too? the "game" aspect should be in the bag man, I found that the less you talk the better. Look at all the chodes around you leaving with hot girls, all of this is like 90% logistics, if they see that you're a normal guy who they know is confident enough to approach anyone at that party, the game aspect is done with.

Like girls want it to feel "right" and "natural" with the guy, which in other words means the logistics go smoothly (they're not screening like crazy, girls hook up with LOTS of guys, the easier it is for her to go somewhere else with you, o well she chose you for the night and you're good)

So I was kinda buzzed last night, I'll be a little clearer on the 10-2 thing

1. The optimum time (I'll call it Go Time) is around 30 minutes before everyone leaves. Everyone has a little alcohol, and it is possible to just show up at the party at this time, find the girls that aren't talking to any guys and are value scanning/wondering why the fuck theres no chodes talking to them this late at night, and try to leave with them. This is the time that you go for leaving with them, and do all that shit. EVERYTHING goes down to this time window at the end of the night, where logistics have to go right and every girl is happy with her guy, cus if one girl isnt happy, well they might be kinda drunk and one tug of the arm and they are going home alone.

2. Now all the time before this (from the beginning of the party to now) where everyone is getting settled in, I'll call (Pre Time).
(im making these words up btw http://www.flawlessnaturalvideoblog.com/ watch the video on rhythm 10-2, it is so important and applicable)
The point here is to make yourself as much socially proofed, talking to a lot of people, looking as social as possible. Since girls notice this stuff at this time, later on during Go Time girls are too drunk or are so in the moment they do not notice the high value guys this late).
So just talking like a stupid normal conversation without even appearing to be hitting on them (its ok you can leave the escalating for Go Time, this time is just to look social and expose yourself to the girls)
All in all, it is to make yourself stand out in the girl's minds for when its Go Time at the end of the party.

Because a girl at the end of the night will rather leave with a guy that she was talking to sober early in the evening and made the mental switch thats hes a good guy shed fuck, then try to make a decision on fuckin a guy when she has drank and its the end of the night.

The interaction DOESNT go from start to finish nonstop, unless you do it dueing Go Time and are trying to get a really quick pull which is unreliable and is last resort.

You talk for a bit, say you'll talk to them later you gotta go to your friends, keep an eye out for other guys, to go in and cut them out w/e, then when its Go Time, those girls will be looking for the guy to leave with, and they will want you rather than the guy she hasnt seen before trying to pick her up in 5 minutes.

Like, the "pretime" conversation should be so casual, that you can easily drop in and out, like you go talk to your friends....and then 15 minutes later all you ahve to do is go "hey whatsup!" and they're like "oh hey" and you talk like you're old friends. I go in and reinitiate the chat when theres a guy getting all creepy for example.

man, talking to a girl for 30 minutes straight??? Getting a MAKEOUT???(or kiss w/e) Hell no man thats hard work, if you find the convo going stale get out of there and reiniate later (I guess the term is, do not overescalate so fast in the beginning of the night, keep it chill till it's go time, pretime you're just socialising and having fun with all your friends)

Then go time is when you make sure every girl has a buddy of yours, this is the window where you make the logistics go smoothly, blow out any faggots taht try to ruin your set with the girls, and all that stuff to leave. They have to leave sooner or later, just make sure its YOU thats the one leaving with them.

This will all depend on how they saw you in Pretime, because girls dont judge value that well when they are drunk so they will be going into their heads to remeber who were the cool guys that they had a great conversation with in the very beginning of the night. Oh and girls KNOW that guys have fake confidence from alcohol and are all trying to pull during Go Time, so thats why they are more apt towards the guys they have spoken to very early in the night

I wrote a lot, but so to RECAP

A.Go time is when you go and make things happen however you can (WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY/LOGISTICS $$$). You can get a quick pull here even if u just got there, for me this is from 11:45-12:15
B. Pre-time not "required", but is when you "prime" the girls and leave yourself on their minds, to make it as easy as possible to pull.
(you show what a cool guy you are, bouncin in and out of sets, etc.) for me this is like 9:30 to 11:30, thats plenty of time to talk to as many people asyou want

The girls would rather stay on the safe side and go leave with the guys they judged to be sexworthy when sober, and trust them to pull them at the end of the night.

Oh and no, you woul'nt have a "party" at your place, have some drinks there (even though they won't be used most likey, pop in a movie, have each guy isolate to different rooms "i gotta show you somthing" or "i wanna talk to you") and take them there. Be like "yea me and my buddies are gonna chill and drink at my place " that kind of vibe ,(u can call it an after party who cares)

This is what I've seen so far make sure u watch that flawless natural video its money for college parties, this is basically what ive made of the parties at my school so far, tried to explain it the best i could, I gotta write this shit out neway to internalize it well myself and keep going over it.

Q & A About Logistics

Logistics to getting a girl to sex from a college party

Hey guys, it seems at parties, i do fine initially, talk to the girl, dance with her, then kiss....but then anything after just falls flat...that it seems so hard to just leave with her at the end of the night, it seems the area of logistics kick my ass. It seems like their so many obstacles to prevent u from leaving with the girl, even if u befriend her friend...from her friend wanting her to leave with her...not alone, to getting distracted with drama, to talking to the other people who own the house, etc.

I know im improving constantly, but from my impression...it would seem easier to take a girl back home from a club than a party. Would the girl at a college party HAVE TO BE VERY DRUNK for this to happen? Any advice would really help me out. I know im getting closer?

Van Damme From RSDNation Replies

dude your situation is NOT specific to college parties, that's how it always is. But me and my buddies work the college parties, so we've realized-

you need another guy on the same page as you, if its 3 girls and its only you 2, you better get a 3rd guy in there quick. (Ozzie transformations, just pull a guy in there say whatsup, and he'll stay, or just take a guy on the side and tell him whatsup and he'll most likely LOVE to help you and get with the 3rd girl)

The easiest way is to go to another party (keyword *PARTY*(sell the party, "this place SUX lets go to XXXXX yeaa eveyone lets goo awsome!") Trying to go straight home is a bit harder...but sell the home area as an afterparty, my buddy got an apartment so I dont have to use the dorms. Girls LOVE afterparties. Lemme tell you, the easiest way to pull girls from a party is to have a female freind talk it up and have HER ask the girls you're with.

Dude we fuckin took a group of 5 girls we just met within 2 minutes to agree with us to come, JUST BECAUSE one of my buddies GFs told them they should come. (and again dont bother with all this if you dont have an after paty spot where you could do bang bang, im just saying that if u have the luxury of having one like we did that night)

You'll get there man, watch how other guys leave with girls. This logistics stuff is ALL about the 10-2 rhythm, you can open a convo early on, then (well for me) around 12:15 is when you strike, and leave with them.

Like you can have a good interaction early in the night, then later on they will go to you rather than the other guys trying to get them at that window of time.

But you gotta figure out your own logistics, for example at my university we have parties like across the street walking distance from each other.

ONCE you move them to another party, you're in the clear because those ppl at the new party think ur together, theres less friends of them to cockblock, etc.

But dude nothing will ever go down if you dont have each guy with each girl, I say look for a player type of guy at the parties, or just one that is hitting on a lot of girls/opening sets left and right, just SOMEONE who is one the same page as you (get laid and social intuition/seeing the matrix, dont bring up PU shit since theyre naturals and they know wtf logistics are, we just put a fancy name to this stuff in the community)

Talk up where you're going like you're excited and keep fighting to leave with them, if another guy is gonig for that shit keep going, he'll give up when he realizes it'll be a lot easier to go for another girl since you keep staying on that shit.

Good luck and I hope you get consistent at getting girls from college parties, I know I'm workin on it like crazy to get consistent with it too.

ps. find a shitty party and then the girls will go to another party more, like me and my buddy went to a Latino/black party and found like pretty much the only 2 white girls there and left with them in only like 20 min or less (damn drunk time is weird), because they were looking for hot white guys you know..., kind of like how guys try to PU girls in gay bars, well no shit if you're straight, its gonna go better

And dont be afraid to BS a little, we just went like "PARTY AT THE ****APARTMENTS", and when we got there it was just my buddies place and he just popped in a movie. If they leave with you, that late, you gotta escalate on the way cus they know whatsup when they leave with you. So its ok to BS a party, they most likely wont care because a party is basically a place with alcohol, which counts. ok i wrote a shitload make what u can of it peace lol

11/14-11/15 and Sky's Thoughts

The Weekend

Aright, on Friday i went up to this tall pretty hot blonde that i've wanted to go up to for a while at the cafeteria. She seemed like she was on a rush to get back to her friends, but as i walked through the cafeteria she looked at me. I will continue gaming her coming up next time i see her.

Friday Night i met up with my good friend Arnaud who came by staying with his roommate. We couldn't find good parties, but we went to a few "ok" ones. The first one was ok, was a apartment party of frat guys, and some of the groupies. I asked some of the brothers who was off-limits to talk to girls wise, and they were like "U can talk to anyone dude :-D" I told them my story of the past times i got kicked out of parties and they're like "Have fun dude! None of that stupid shit will go on here" I was very happy they supported me hitting on girls. I met a few new ones and stuff but we decided to leave.

Saturday Night went to a chill frat house with a chill vibe. There were some girls and stuff, saw one whom def stuck my eye QUITE a bit. She was nice and friendly. Got me horny, but we decided to leave. Found another frat party but it was in a basement and lots of dancing. Was fun, met LOTS of girls...made out with two of them while dancing....but thats it mainly.

Sky's Thoughts

Recently, it hit just hit me that my tenure here at Radford University ends in 4 weeks from now. That's all i got. My last goal is to atleast get laid one more time before i leave, in 4 years. I have to stop being afraid of trying to have that be a goal(When at the end of the night at parties...i got upset, cried and was angry that i wasn't good enough). I was just afraid that my frustrations would come back and affect me...but i underestimate myself. I'm more emotionally strong than i use to be. I got only a month left to do my best so i mine as well stop being afraid to ask some girls i know out and to start meeting more girls from class that i fancy. I'm glad my rustiness is over.

What i noticed these days is how girls do act differently around me. Its funny how when some reject me at first, when they see me with other girls...they all talk to their female friends and stuff about me hitting on them and lots of other girls(Jealousy streak). Pretty funny. They try to act like hot shit as if they got all the power in the world, but they can't take away my power. There is a million of other girls like them, but only a small amount of guys like me. Im really glad i have to ability to flirt with girls. Its a power that im happy to have acquired. Laying one of them is definitely my final goal before leaving and of course graduating smoothly.

I'm so damn glad i decided to do something about acquiring game. Seeing all these hot girls gets me pretty excited. Im glad im able to do something about it. Right now, i don't know what will happen. I'm glad i made my own choice of sticking with the cold approach method. Sure, Social Circle Game is what gets u laid easier and faster in college....but i don't care about that. Sure, if i truly embraced social circle game too, i prolly could get laid more...but deep down i don't care for it. I don't want to have to go through even more effort for something i don't give many shits for. Plus when im in a social circle situation, i tend to hold on to the belief i overestimate the outcome(Im part of this circle, it shoudl be hella easy), cutting my ability in 1/2 compared to if i don't have that in the back of my mind. I still believe that i can do it based on my game solely, and it seems that im getting further and further in my ability without it. What's next?!

Friday, November 14, 2008


Aright people, on Wednesday started to approach again today to stay consistent, didnt' seem half bad. Actually managed to go up to one of the girls whom i was very attracted to, whom i saw on facebook. I ejected quickly, eventho she responded well to it.haha. Don't worry...when i get back in the swing of things, it'll all be good.haha. Things are coming back to me atleast.

Thursday, i approached a big tit short haired brunnete. She was pretty receptive, just talked to her for a minute. Still getting back in the swing of things.

Aright, for Thursday Night...i went to Mi Puerto, which is a restaurant...turned dance floor, bar and hookah lounge. When i went in there, mostly black students...which i was shocked. Wasn't bad. I went up to a few numbers of girls, ones i have seen, ones i haven't seen, one i tried to dance who flaked on me, etc. Was funny, i just tried to dance with girls for the most part. Saw a cute white dark brunette girl, whom had nice cleavage. She was pretty cute. She told me she was french. I isolated her from a group i knew. We danced prior and stuff. After 2 minutes, i notice she has her hands clasped to mine. I hold them, turn her around, then go for the kiss. She moves her face...telling me that she aint that kind of girl. I tell her that all girls say that, and continue talking to her. After a few minutes of dancing and some rapport, i then hint in about kissing her again.

Oh yea, at one point she was telling me how i should fine another girl to have fun with, but then i told her that it wasn't her choice to make of the girls "I" wanted to have fun with. She laughed quite a bit. I then tell her, "I wonder if European Girls kiss differently" She says she doesn't think so and that i can find out sometime...we then make out for a minute or so. She then asks me what she thinks, i tell her that it was different, that we started with the lips passionately...then the tongue. Was funny. Afew black girls said "Ewww" who were dancing around us. Was pretty funny. After that she kinda tried to go off somewhere else....so nothing developed further.

Overall in teh night, i got almost drunk...but before then...just buzzed. Was a fun night. :-)

Tuesday, November 11, 2008

11/11 The Platonic Day 3 :-(

Aright, i watched a movie with one of the girls i sat and ate with her roommate. But unfortunately...her roommate and cousin were there...plus i was afraid if she rejected me by me laying down next to her...that i'd feel shame in front of her roomates(Pretty much the i feel inferior feeling that i usually get when i feel bad). She was studying for her test, not really paying attention to the movie. I just lost motivation to even game her at that point, plus in a text she said she didn't like getting hit on(Which i find BS as most girls will say that)...so i dunno wat im gonna do with this. Maybe i'll just be right to the point with her, i got nothing to lose and i don't care if i get her or not. Maybe then she'll get the picture by that time.

11/9-11/10 Rustiness

Day Game

Been rusty these few days approaching. I just aint in tune with it these days, but now and then when i see a super easy opportunity, i can do it...but when its crowds of people walking around or approaching at a more difficult situation(Crowded lab) then i gotta return to that.

Night Game
Aright, for night game...haven't done it much except on Monday Night i went to a party, really only gamed a few girls. Wasn't much going on there. Saw one of the girls i day game approached at starbucks(Cute blonde)....isolated her to the couch...but considering i was still feeling rusty, that feeling of assurance wasn't really there. I didn't touch her that much, and when i tried to go dance with her, she wanted to talk with her friends and she left after a few minutes with them. So its all graavy.

Sunday, November 9, 2008

Some Advice Part V: More From Tim and Ozzie's fail quote

1) Their loss: there is only one of you and millions of good-looking women, the odds are in your favor.

2) When u are stating ur intentions, u have a good feeling in ur body. Feel it.

3) Good Night and Bad Nights is all about how u perceive it.

4) Look at the adventure u had.

5) The Woo State is how u always get in state. The feeling inside ur body dictates everything. The state ur in dictates how u feel.

a) How can i make this fun?

6) For the most part, if a girl is talking to you when she has a million other things she could be doing, it means it is ON.

7) Core Mascual Sexual Intent-Enjoy hottie in front of you. When you see that hottie and you just want her. Thats ur core "I want her!". Enjoy her and u move forward to ur purpose. You really enjoy it in a manly fun way. When you run out of things to say, "2 minute reset check out". If your talking to a girl and u start going, going and going and run out of things to say. Start checking her out, blantaly looking at her. Don't do it creeply. This reconnects u of why ur talking to her. This is to enjoy her as a woman.

8) Less attachment to outcome-Net theory. If a girl says fuck you/I don't want to talk to you. Keep going. Don't mind it. The best people they have a quality of obliviousness. Just be "ha ha" and continue what ur doing. Detach urself from outcome.

9) How to not get stuck in ur head-When u act, ur not spectating, ur being a "player"-a doer. If ur nervous and tense, just talk to anyone. Go social. Approach 1st girl u got eyes on sometimes. Suppose a guy goes in loud, be quick to be at the same state saying "hey man!"

10) U go in, u'll eject because of not a positive enough reaction. How do you push urself to keep the burning desire-Relates to core manly sexual intent. What is that burning desire? U see a gorgeous and deep down inside ur like "Fuck yea, i want that for me" Why push urself? Because there's a hottie thats right there and u want that. Thats the burning desire.

11) dealing w/ Amogs-Look in eyes and shake their hand and introduce urself. U had that "pre-meeting before hand" U have to do it that very instant when u see him. The very first second. Once u do this, u can ignore him, chat to him and then go back to the girls.

12) Fail big, fail large, fail deep, fail now, fail all night..fail on camera. Go fail. Fail. I am serious.
It is the little failures that bother us deep inside.
Fail large, fail all night. Do the big ass sets that you know you can not handle, get a jealous boyfriend chasing you around the club because you tried to fuck his girlfriend, get thrown out of the club for using the claw too much.
Open and fail big.
Get sick and tired of being sick and tired.

Some Advice Part IV: Alex's Invisible Game

Hey man…
Most simply its game without bearing on ‘IOI’s’.
Once you transcend this routiney twirly-whirly-ronald-mcdonaldism the entire game is played on the emotional communication channels and becomes invisible to the untrained/unexperienced eye.
Where as classic buttom pushing ronald-mcdonald-ism is lower value button pushing, get the girl to react to you by entertaining/’negging’ her in order to get a visible reaction.

Invisible game is interesting, becuase if I do a demo it looks the same as what a student would, but its gets an entirely different result becuase it coming from a different place and frame internally. Alot of different things are communicated.
Invisible game is when you know the girl is attracted to you even though she isnt showing it.

If you do the right things and have the right frame of reference she CAN’T NOT become attracted.

Similar to the way that any (biologically normal) guy couldn’t not be attracted to a supermodel in a bikini climbing out of a pool.

Understand that when some girls get attracted to you they will become terribly stifled because they dont want to ‘fuck up’ around you. Same way as guys get shy around girls they have a crush on.

Or, they just dont want to give away thier power too early so they don’t come accross as slutty. They become expressionless. Plenty of emotions are going on, but the girl keeps them in check so as to retain a ‘testing the guy’ frame.
The game is there, it just isnt overtly visible.

A Hollywood example is the courtship scene between Tom Cruise and Penelope Cruz in the movie Vanilla Sky.

When Cruise finally kisses Cruz, and during the flirting and lead up to the kiss Cruz shows no emotions. But the audience and Cruise knows that she is into him.
[Note, its always on, if the girl is talkng to you she is into you.]

After Cruise kisses Cruz, and he leaves and she is alone she then proceeds to go crazy running around the room. Making her formerly invisible game (emotions) visible.
Makes sense.

Realise that when you are a chill guy, who takes pride in the way he expresses himself, who has self worth…

You become the equivilant to what we would considier to be model hot girl.
Thing is though, guys like us are alot more rare.

Some Advice PART III: Andrew's Thoughts

- Maintain strong but relaxed eye contact.
- Smile.
- Speak slowly.
- Tell girls what you want, what you're going to do, and what you're going to do to them.
- When you call girls for dates, tell them what's going to happen. i.e. "I'm coming over." or "We're going to get coffee today."
- On a date, you can look her right in the eye and say "I'm going to make love to you tonight." This will make her incredibly horny.
- Don't take resistance seriously. Persist. Girls don't want to feel accountable. They want to feel like they had no choice.
- Be the guy who just comes over. Not the one who just sets up dates.
-Tell three women to try on some lingerie for you.

Some More Advice Part II: Tim

1) Its me and u tonight. Its me and u tonight.
2) I choose you. I choose you. I choose you.
3) If there’s a silence, chill back. Be cool. Don’t feel the need to always fill it. If you see them chilling back, chill back to, BUT then go back in.
4) Be cool to relax. Hang out with her friends. Make sure ur confident enough that its u and her.
5) If you feel like not approaching, just relax. Pause. Take 2 minutes to check out the girls in the club. Just check them out. Let that built up, should be lovestruck in this 2 minutes.
6) For some group approaches, address everyone. Then tell the girl u like that u choose her. I’ll try it to see J
7) If your skeptical about believing that what u say won’t generate interest or whatever, if u think that ur conversation sucsk….the other person will think it sucks. From a position of self amusement. If you want the person to find it interesting and fun, then they will. If I think its interesting, then it is. Go first. If you want her to be sexual, u got to be sexual first.
8) Make the first part about u. The fun about u. See everyone in the club, not as obstacles but as cheerleaders of success of course.
9) “Oh…there’s a dude there.” Ur sub communication will show.

Some More Advice Part I: Ozzie's Rules

Ozzie mentions a set where he plowed for 6 hours before she hooked and had sex. Don’t take bitchyness seriously.
1)Always be moving forward. Do not try and get it perfect, just keep moving.
2)Do not seek reaction. You are stepping up to celebrate yourself and your passions regardless of what they think about it.
3)Do not give a fuck what people think of you.
4)Strive to reach 100% Expression and draw others into your world.
5)Be willing to Look retarded.
6)Be physical with EVERYONE.
7)Be like water in the club. Ever flowing , fluid, and able to negotiate around obstacles.
8)Practice with no goal in mind. Refrain from labelling any set or night as good or bad.
9)Stay out of comfort zone.
10)Prepare to negotiate with your resistance, never ever stop.
11)Deal with your dabbling ways , do not fight them.
12)Don’t get in your head. Once this happens you’re fucked. Keep moving forward!
13)They're drinking to make it ok, to pick them up. At a party.(in their minds)
14) You create your own reality by creating your own rules
15) Offer her something more fun/worth her time
16) Advantage: The Player Vibe/Reputation is generally a good thing if u can manage the consequences. The rep it has the distinct advantage.
17) Girls when they first get in college to act on the desire to get with you

More Q & A From DonSuave

I make my approach. She's not receptive, at least not verbally. I see lots of guy turning around her. Most guys would have been thrown off at the 1rst " iod" she gave me but I stay in there. I stay in there because I know I will get the chicks. I know even if she have 20 guys surrounding her they can't game her and fuck her like I can. So she talks to 2 or 3 guys. She tells me stuff ' he''s just a friend ' without me asking for explanaitions.

I give her game in between. I'm patient for now lol At one point I grab her by the arm and tell her ' I don't like you talking to too many guys."

I pull her gently give her intense eye contact and give her some game. She's a waitress at another rich nightclub.

She keeps talking to me like I am some client. I am firm and make her understand that I don't give a fuck about where she works but give a fuck about her. She gave me her # right at that moment.

Now my frame is I can get her if I want to, I don't care what's on her mind, I care about what's in mine and I affect her with my thoughts. I scan her the instant I see her and I calibrate my approach. Depending on how she reacts I will be sweet or rough or whatever. It all depends.

It's okay if some guys have 1 way of gaming I just don't believe it's the most effective way. For me the most effective is being natural, adaptable and sudden with your moves, flow. Nothing prepared just you being quick and smart.

This way I can game many women, I have no limits

Friday, November 7, 2008

Q&A: DonSuave

Question 1: How do you handle logistics for taking a girl home from a club after the kiss? It seems that after i kiss a girl, nothing develops after. Things die down. How can i keep things going till we leave together? Cuz i know eventually, she'll want to return to her friends to check on them, but i fear if i do that....then ASD will trigger. I would do dancing but some girls don't want to dance. It seems like when things start out good, i lose energy/steam to keep things going.

Since I have sex on a regular basis, my mentallity when I go out is not to get a girl and bring her home. If I do then it's all good but if I don't it's not the end of the world. I go for quality.

That being said, If I want a 1NS, I know which types of girls to go for. There's something about them I can smell and I know " she is the type " that will settle for 1NS. Not that you can't 1NS all women at some time and some place but some of them are built for 1NS.

2ND PROBLEM----------------------------

Now second problem you have is energy goes down when you kiss a girl which means you have game until there then you don't know how to escalate. Usually if you date girls your age, you will have to do 2 isolations.
1rst one, you do the kiss. Then at some point she will probably get nervous and want to go back to her friends. That's fine.

You should say " Yeah let's go back and see what everybody's doing!"

When you go back you must be confident. Alpha. Show everybody your a nice, social guy. Make them like you and show the girl you like her also. But don't overdo it. If she really likes you she might kiss you in front of her friends. If not, spend some time there then proceed to 2nd isolation.

That's where the " NEGOCIATOR"S PHASE " begin. You start asking questions.
" Where you live? Who did you came with? blabla"
Then you start seing if it's logistically and logically possible for you to fuck her that night. If you can you push it not fuck it. Take her # and date her some other time.

Now a good trick would be to make a BOUNCE. Take her to some club nextdoor. If she comes with you, you have a 70% chance of fucking her that night. Just take your time. Don't touch her pussy or anything. Be patient. If you know you will fuck her you don't have to do all that stupid stuff.

Now this is all theory.
Once I was walking in a club and I held eye contact with a chick that was passing by, i kissed her, held her hand, then I smiled and let her go and didn't follow up with a chat...lol Took me 3 seconds, no opener or anything

Another time I hit the dancefloor with a chick we didn't talk at all for 10-15 min, we went to the bathroom and she gave me a blowjob

So really, there are no definite answers in PU you have to be incredibily fast and adaptable. The mean justify the end...

Question 2: How subtle should one be in terms of talking about sex at night game? For these girl, who seem socially conditioned the most....wouldn't that trigger ASD? But i also heard its a good idea.

Thing is you don't have to talk about sex. Some things in life are implied. Let sex be one of those things. Just have a strong sexual aura. That's it. Girls pick it up and when they do and you act alpha and strong they want your balls.

Question 3a: When dealing with groups, is it always 100% necessary to isolate.

Not 100% of the time. 99% of time yes. If I go for a 2set and want a 3some then no i won't isolate but other then that yes you ABSOLUTELY needs to.

Question 3b: What if the girl doesn't want to leave her friends, but is still pretty attracted to u(unless she'll accept the isolation if she is attracted)? Is it worth to stick in their and continue gaming, regardless if she wants to be isolated or not? I tend to usually always go for the isolation within a few minutes but then stop gaming her after i tried 3 or 4 times to isolate and she doesn't want to.

That's what you're supposed to do. You may have timing problems. You may not know WHEN and HOW to isolate.

There is no precise WHEN excpet when you have good calibration and you know it's on. Other then that when she says no, give her more game then try later. I never take no as an answer. I can be rude to a woman when she acts like a princess. Maybe you're too nice with them

Question 4: The Mother Hen. Alright suppose the mother hen of the group tells u that she's protector, wat is ur strategy to typically befriend her?
My strategy would be to flirt with her too, keep a friendly vibe, and tell her that i give her respect for looking out for her friend, but then give attention back to the girl im gaming. Is that how you would do it?

Fuck that. 1rst of, your target must like you, if not your fucked. So if she likes you then any cockblock doesn't exist. I would hug my target and be friendly to the " mother hen ( lol) " but tell her hey this is MY chick now.

I can also completly ignore her if she doesn't have a strong influence on her OR if she's disrespectful.

That being said I rarely get cockblock because the girls I approach likely more often then dislike me so there's no reason to cockblock me.

Only begginners get REALLY cockblocked...

My mentality is my frame is SO STRONG, NOTHING AFFECTS ME. So I don't care about guys looking at me trying to get my attention, beef, cockblocks etc.

Thank You For Your Tips, DonSuave!

10/23 - 11/8 Last Two Weeks and the Last 6 weeks at Uni

Aright everyone afew days after my previous post...i hung out with the tatoo girl. Smoked some ganja with her, but then she didn't want to kiss me. But i did lead her to sit on her bed(was afraid to do that before), but then i tried to kiss her one more time and she was like "Nah...u got to quit doing that" When she said that, it hit but i wasn't mad at her. It was like "This sucks" I felt a lil down afterward, sicne i felt like i failed...but i didn't fail. Getting that far after all i've done is progress...good progress :-)

After that, i haven't really hung out with any girls the next week. I've just been bombarded with school work, which yet again has caused me to be rusty. I did a few approaches but they were easy ones. Haven't really called the numbers i gotten either. Oh yea, i went out halloween night as Waldo yet again...had fun...nothing much happened...except got drunk...did my normal thing for night game...not too shabby. thas all for now