Firstly, i won't be able to game in the DC area for a bit, because i got a speeding ticket which depleted the rest of the graduation money i used for gas to sarge. So now i can only game nearby. But hey, looks like i'll be doing day game again and night game...i guess i can only do it local.
Aright, i haven't updated much as usual because not much in my ability has changed, except for noticing more of my issues and sticking points...
For The Night Time:
1) Pressured the girls too much it looks like, confused this with persistence
2) Was so caught up in isolating a girl, that i forgot that i can do it fine.
3) Revealing my intent more, should be more bold with it though.
4) Didn't go firm ALL THE WAY, would revert back to more safe conversation cuz its what i've done for a while. But i'll stop this but its no problem if it comes up.
5) Pressured the kiss too much, rather than do it with persistence and get both of us turned on.
6) Didn't find out if a girl wanted to hook up. Was so concerned with playing around her social conditioning that i never figured that some were def down to fuck.
7) Going to be more bold again, and not look back.
For Day Time:
1) Revealing my intentions more. I've decided to do this again, and i won't go back. I don't plan on playing it safe anymore, unless its multiple girls where i'll tone it down a bit.
As i've said before, won't post field reports until something awesome happens. But i do notice that when i was more bold back a year and a half ago...things to be working better for me than when i toned it down. Sure i got more meetups when i was less bold, but nothing happened. Looks like i'm returning to doing mode one again lol
Showing posts with label sticking points. Show all posts
Showing posts with label sticking points. Show all posts
Thursday, March 26, 2009
Sunday, February 22, 2009
More on Logistics from SINN
Logistics are really what separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
In your scenario, the odds were already against you.
She's staying at a coworker's house, they have something to do the next morning, and they were tired...
I would not even try to pull a set with those logistics, I'd get a phone number and go try to find another girl with better logistics.
The Magic logistics gathering questions are:
What's on the agenda for later?- This is the equivalent of "wanna fuck?" in modern barspeak. Plus it lets you seed the pull for later. I use this in the first 10 minutes EVERYTIME.
Did you guys meet here or come together?- You have to find out what the travel situation is. Ideally they met at the venue and the girl you're interested in drove herself.
Do you have work tomorrow?- Let's you find out how late she can reasonably stay up.
In your specific situation Steve, you would want to use Captain Jack (www.Masssexualframing.com)'s classic line,
" You guys are leaving already? I'm so not ready for my night to end."
Then I would have asked the girls to drive me to my car and directed them out of the bar's parking lot towards my place. You never want to go to a girl's place if you can avoid it.
Hope that helps,
Til next time,
Sinn
In your scenario, the odds were already against you.
She's staying at a coworker's house, they have something to do the next morning, and they were tired...
I would not even try to pull a set with those logistics, I'd get a phone number and go try to find another girl with better logistics.
The Magic logistics gathering questions are:
What's on the agenda for later?- This is the equivalent of "wanna fuck?" in modern barspeak. Plus it lets you seed the pull for later. I use this in the first 10 minutes EVERYTIME.
Did you guys meet here or come together?- You have to find out what the travel situation is. Ideally they met at the venue and the girl you're interested in drove herself.
Do you have work tomorrow?- Let's you find out how late she can reasonably stay up.
In your specific situation Steve, you would want to use Captain Jack (www.Masssexualframing.com)'s classic line,
" You guys are leaving already? I'm so not ready for my night to end."
Then I would have asked the girls to drive me to my car and directed them out of the bar's parking lot towards my place. You never want to go to a girl's place if you can avoid it.
Hope that helps,
Til next time,
Sinn
Sunday, December 28, 2008
Finally! The Reason i haven't gotten laid from night game...
My friend told me.....his name his Craig and hails in the U.K. I told him my problems with laying girls at night and then i found out something that he told me.
I don't have 100% BELIEF!
It was true, i didn't have the belief that i could simply lay girls at night, i was always worried that progressing beyond the makeout would be too hard, cuz of logistics. I also didn't focus on after the kiss, its like "Aright...i got the kiss" And then my good vibe and energy i had, plummeted. But no more :-)
2009! I will work on this! I will have an abundance of sex!
I don't have 100% BELIEF!
It was true, i didn't have the belief that i could simply lay girls at night, i was always worried that progressing beyond the makeout would be too hard, cuz of logistics. I also didn't focus on after the kiss, its like "Aright...i got the kiss" And then my good vibe and energy i had, plummeted. But no more :-)
2009! I will work on this! I will have an abundance of sex!
Friday, December 12, 2008
Notes for what to do after makeout
Question
hmmm so let me get this straight ...
Approach target - Ride the train - go for makeout - end makeout first - and then chill till a later time and then pull to pad for ONS?
You sure this is the appropiate steps? Wont the target think that you lost interest in her? You are saying not to keep sexual tension up?
So what do you do just sit by her and claw her once and awhile? or go wander around the club and open more sets?
"Then get super sexual and chill until it's time to pull." ie Wade said this ... so whats super sexual with out some biting and kissing stuff? I dont see whats the big deal about using the mouth more then once if you want to pull home.
I can see how if you were not going to pull home you dont want to go for the big big makeout - and if you wanted to open more sets ...
Answer
There are a lot of variables here, but the main issues:
You don't want to escalate too quickly because then you will have nowhere to go. I used to get the makeout and then was like "Now what?!"
I'll keep physical kino going afterwards, hip bumps, random hugs, hair pulling... and continue to lead her around. Maybe take her to the dance floor for a bit, or to get a drink.
I'll also just stare at her with the "bedroom eyes" until she is like "What? What?!" -just amps up the sexual tension when you play with silence
Maybe a little sexual push-pull i.e. "What are you doing to me, I just came out to hang out with my friends and you got me all hot and bothered!"
Also a HUGE HUGE part of this is after you are "locked in" with the girl (i.e. know she will go home with you) to go interact with her friends so when it comes time to pull they are on your side and not just the pull away friends...
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hmmm so let me get this straight ...
Approach target - Ride the train - go for makeout - end makeout first - and then chill till a later time and then pull to pad for ONS?
You sure this is the appropiate steps? Wont the target think that you lost interest in her? You are saying not to keep sexual tension up?
So what do you do just sit by her and claw her once and awhile? or go wander around the club and open more sets?
"Then get super sexual and chill until it's time to pull." ie Wade said this ... so whats super sexual with out some biting and kissing stuff? I dont see whats the big deal about using the mouth more then once if you want to pull home.
I can see how if you were not going to pull home you dont want to go for the big big makeout - and if you wanted to open more sets ...
Answer
There are a lot of variables here, but the main issues:
You don't want to escalate too quickly because then you will have nowhere to go. I used to get the makeout and then was like "Now what?!"
I'll keep physical kino going afterwards, hip bumps, random hugs, hair pulling... and continue to lead her around. Maybe take her to the dance floor for a bit, or to get a drink.
I'll also just stare at her with the "bedroom eyes" until she is like "What? What?!" -just amps up the sexual tension when you play with silence
Maybe a little sexual push-pull i.e. "What are you doing to me, I just came out to hang out with my friends and you got me all hot and bothered!"
Also a HUGE HUGE part of this is after you are "locked in" with the girl (i.e. know she will go home with you) to go interact with her friends so when it comes time to pull they are on your side and not just the pull away friends...
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Monday, November 24, 2008
More Notes on Logistics
How often do girls leave clubs with guys?
Alot more than you think.
Logistics prevents it.
Catching them during the time they are looking to be loose, even if normally they wouldn't
Your giving her good sex that she hasn't really had/fun night/deep rapport
Being the guy can plug those gaps in the moment, can make the guy that takes her home
Game, those opportunities, is what gets you laid.
You Don't Want to be relationship material, just be good enough for sex. Just have enough comfort. Don't build too much comfort/knows you too well...she won't risk that.Women don't need to know all the details about u, they just need to have the sense.
If ur a guy who doesn't give it away, but enough to peak her curiousity....
Don't emotionally progesss, but logistically progress.
EXTERNAL FACTORS TO DETERMINE IT:
What will prevent her?
Pact that they go home together.
NY alot easier vs. LA, because girls arrive in the club either by themselves or leave by themselves.
NY so easy to take a cab.
Got to make it as easy as possible to get her home with you.
Make it seem as smooth and natural as possible.
The places being close and know how to get there without hassle.
With guy friends, they don't worry as much. With gf, it is tricker.
A) Build rapport with group
B) Put her away with the group
-How drunk she is.
-How many people see her leave. The more discrete, the better.
-If u need to put her away and have a conversation. Text her friends that she's gonna stay with another friend.
-Ask her if she's working tomorrow?
-Don't waste 4 hours of ur night talking to a girl when she's gotta get up at 6 AM. Came with 10 female friends, and she's not drinking. 1 drink and 8 drinks, give the girl the same excuse to her mind and friends. She can tell her friends and herself.
-Guy friend who play more of a protector: Thats a challenge. Its all in how u treat the other guys. If u come in a very strong frame, the guy's defenses will go up. If you go in wiht a cool, friendly guy. His alarm isn't going off that much, if he starts to act like an idiot in front of u....its too late. -If the guy is genuinely a protector that has no sexual interest, just have build extreme comfort with him...so he can build the torch to u, he'll be relieved. A guy he can trust, so he can meet girls himself.
-If the guy is trying to sleep with her, then u got to turn it around on him. "Wow...that guy is really really into u" and it will click in her mind. Hey, im just being friendly and talking to people
How do you take a girl out from the club?-Gradually building up compliance/Gradually build up the things u do with her. Take her to different places within that venue. Dance Floor, bar,meeting different friends, couch, bounce her to somewhere that isn't that far away and isn't that high investment. "Hey lets get a quick bite to eat/go to this other bar around the corner".
-Don't stand in that same spot for so long. If a girl doesn't like u enough to sit down to a couch with u, there's no way ur gonna take her home.
-She's more attracted to u/respected u cuz u made a move even if she says no at first.
-To actually hook up with a girl, u do need to move this forward.
-A good reason to move someone somewhere other than sex.
-Even if a girl knows deep down ur gonna take her home, a girl wants to come out of the club having Plausible Deniability.
-SEEDING is def a good thing to do, as later when u mention them...its not such a shock. Cuz if she rejects it in the beginning, u'll find out the possibility sooner lol.
-Whatever you say and do to convince, keep it light hearted.
-No need to try to objectively/logistically convince her
When do you do when a girl objects to coming home with you?
When a girl objects it, treat it as a non-issue. Keep on moving her. Just don't even worry about it. Don't treat anything as an issue. The question is: Is she still with you?
How sexual should you get in the club?
HANDJOB ON DANCE FLOOR:on dancefloor, start kino escalating on dance floor. First u want to slow dance, while everyone is fast dancing. She forgets every one. U just slowly move her hands to ur crotch. Then go down in your pants. Fun little gimick. Don't recommend for proper game.
If u want a SNL:
When in the club, be working attraction hard. Build alot of sexual tension. Have a sexual presence. Be a guy that puts sexual seeds..but don't act on em. Kiss her on the lips, don't be the sloppy make out guy either for anything longer than a minute. Be the guy that keeps her at the edge of her seat building that sexual tension. When that tension is high and she hasn't made out with u yet, thats when u logistically escalate. Then when u get home, bam...sexually escalate. "Damn u look so sexy tonight..." etc...
Taking a girl home from a date vs taking a girl home from a club
on Day 2, u don't have to deal with logistics as much. You control logistics. 100% control of her coming to house/etc. Logistics are in your favor. She's away from all her friends. Dates are all comfort and then doing logistical and physical escalation. In a night game, do just enough comfort so she feels safe.But ur game mainly is attraction. Spike her emotions, not logically. Have her having alot of fun.
Girl go make decisions from moment to moment
Can still get all kinds of issues.
Ignore her words and watch her actions!
As long as she's not leaving, its still on
Best thing to say is "Cool"
If you haven't had any good interactions by the end of the night, is the night lost?
See how many girls a girl leaves a night club without a guy?
Look around and see which groups of girls are still standing there kinda checking things out/not really in a rush to leave. Those girls u just look at them, grab ur friend. Go up to them. Make it easy for them. Don't make it a big compliance thing. Make it a small thing. Bounce with them.
Easiest way to have a small compliance to bounce her somewhere else.(Club). Pulling is messy.Its never clean cut.
Alot more than you think.
Logistics prevents it.
Catching them during the time they are looking to be loose, even if normally they wouldn't
Your giving her good sex that she hasn't really had/fun night/deep rapport
Being the guy can plug those gaps in the moment, can make the guy that takes her home
Game, those opportunities, is what gets you laid.
You Don't Want to be relationship material, just be good enough for sex. Just have enough comfort. Don't build too much comfort/knows you too well...she won't risk that.Women don't need to know all the details about u, they just need to have the sense.
If ur a guy who doesn't give it away, but enough to peak her curiousity....
Don't emotionally progesss, but logistically progress.
EXTERNAL FACTORS TO DETERMINE IT:
What will prevent her?
Pact that they go home together.
NY alot easier vs. LA, because girls arrive in the club either by themselves or leave by themselves.
NY so easy to take a cab.
Got to make it as easy as possible to get her home with you.
Make it seem as smooth and natural as possible.
The places being close and know how to get there without hassle.
With guy friends, they don't worry as much. With gf, it is tricker.
A) Build rapport with group
B) Put her away with the group
-How drunk she is.
-How many people see her leave. The more discrete, the better.
-If u need to put her away and have a conversation. Text her friends that she's gonna stay with another friend.
-Ask her if she's working tomorrow?
-Don't waste 4 hours of ur night talking to a girl when she's gotta get up at 6 AM. Came with 10 female friends, and she's not drinking. 1 drink and 8 drinks, give the girl the same excuse to her mind and friends. She can tell her friends and herself.
-Guy friend who play more of a protector: Thats a challenge. Its all in how u treat the other guys. If u come in a very strong frame, the guy's defenses will go up. If you go in wiht a cool, friendly guy. His alarm isn't going off that much, if he starts to act like an idiot in front of u....its too late. -If the guy is genuinely a protector that has no sexual interest, just have build extreme comfort with him...so he can build the torch to u, he'll be relieved. A guy he can trust, so he can meet girls himself.
-If the guy is trying to sleep with her, then u got to turn it around on him. "Wow...that guy is really really into u" and it will click in her mind. Hey, im just being friendly and talking to people
How do you take a girl out from the club?-Gradually building up compliance/Gradually build up the things u do with her. Take her to different places within that venue. Dance Floor, bar,meeting different friends, couch, bounce her to somewhere that isn't that far away and isn't that high investment. "Hey lets get a quick bite to eat/go to this other bar around the corner".
-Don't stand in that same spot for so long. If a girl doesn't like u enough to sit down to a couch with u, there's no way ur gonna take her home.
-She's more attracted to u/respected u cuz u made a move even if she says no at first.
-To actually hook up with a girl, u do need to move this forward.
-A good reason to move someone somewhere other than sex.
-Even if a girl knows deep down ur gonna take her home, a girl wants to come out of the club having Plausible Deniability.
-SEEDING is def a good thing to do, as later when u mention them...its not such a shock. Cuz if she rejects it in the beginning, u'll find out the possibility sooner lol.
-Whatever you say and do to convince, keep it light hearted.
-No need to try to objectively/logistically convince her
When do you do when a girl objects to coming home with you?
When a girl objects it, treat it as a non-issue. Keep on moving her. Just don't even worry about it. Don't treat anything as an issue. The question is: Is she still with you?
How sexual should you get in the club?
HANDJOB ON DANCE FLOOR:on dancefloor, start kino escalating on dance floor. First u want to slow dance, while everyone is fast dancing. She forgets every one. U just slowly move her hands to ur crotch. Then go down in your pants. Fun little gimick. Don't recommend for proper game.
If u want a SNL:
When in the club, be working attraction hard. Build alot of sexual tension. Have a sexual presence. Be a guy that puts sexual seeds..but don't act on em. Kiss her on the lips, don't be the sloppy make out guy either for anything longer than a minute. Be the guy that keeps her at the edge of her seat building that sexual tension. When that tension is high and she hasn't made out with u yet, thats when u logistically escalate. Then when u get home, bam...sexually escalate. "Damn u look so sexy tonight..." etc...
Taking a girl home from a date vs taking a girl home from a club
on Day 2, u don't have to deal with logistics as much. You control logistics. 100% control of her coming to house/etc. Logistics are in your favor. She's away from all her friends. Dates are all comfort and then doing logistical and physical escalation. In a night game, do just enough comfort so she feels safe.But ur game mainly is attraction. Spike her emotions, not logically. Have her having alot of fun.
Girl go make decisions from moment to moment
Can still get all kinds of issues.
Ignore her words and watch her actions!
As long as she's not leaving, its still on
Best thing to say is "Cool"
If you haven't had any good interactions by the end of the night, is the night lost?
See how many girls a girl leaves a night club without a guy?
Look around and see which groups of girls are still standing there kinda checking things out/not really in a rush to leave. Those girls u just look at them, grab ur friend. Go up to them. Make it easy for them. Don't make it a big compliance thing. Make it a small thing. Bounce with them.
Easiest way to have a small compliance to bounce her somewhere else.(Club). Pulling is messy.Its never clean cut.
Monday, November 17, 2008
More Q and A With DonSuave
ME:Hey DonSuave, how do you get through logistics for a college party to end in sex? It just seems like its hell(taking a girl from a club from my assumption doesn't seem as hard), even if she likes u, to get her back to ur place considering the amount of distractions and the fact that their friend is always dead set on bringing them back home with them, even if u befriend the friend.
Like i'll talk with the girl, dance with the girl, kiss with the girl...but then after that...they'll be distracted with something else or something else will happen. Going past this is my biggest sticking point. I know some logistics can't be helped, but is really this difficult? I know its not suppose to be the outcome we always think we're going to get but u know what i mean...
My opinion is as u said for clubs, to bounce...sometimes its hard to bounce somewhere else?
DONSUAVE:
Depends where the party's at.
If it's a house party then bring her to the bathroom.
I've had friends banging chicks in bathrooms and I did it also.
If you just want to fuck you should stop giving yourself headaches with the game. You complicate your life for nothing.
I've said it before.
Just hit the gym get a nice style and be agressive/ suave. REAL SUAVE. If you don't know now you will, by trial and error.
Approach 10 000 chicks every night and eventually you'll find 1 that wants you, that has the guts to defy her friends and go against the group and could care less about logistics.
When a girl REALLY wants you to fuck her she DOESN'T CARE ABOUT LOGISTICS. I've had girls giving me blowjobs right on the street!
So your problem is really target selection and uncertainity.
Target selection:
You don't know which girl is down because you don't have enough experience. When you do, you will be able to tell which 1 is ready for a 1 night and which 1 is not. So the game will be much easier for you. So until you get it APPROACH...APPROACH...APPROACH until you find out
Uncertaininty:
You think about details. Logistics blabla...That's really details. Important details but not so important at this stage. You should focus on working your attraction to the point where you become truly efficient and irresistible. Then you must never let her the time to think. Like after kiss you must isolate immediatly, rapport or physically escalate etc.
If you leave her time to think she will think about it twice you won't get her.
Cuz player's strengh comes from speed.
You should also not bother too much on this forum if you want to become a player.
Also I've never been there but I think this forum might be more what you are looking for
http://forums.projectcovo.com
Like i'll talk with the girl, dance with the girl, kiss with the girl...but then after that...they'll be distracted with something else or something else will happen. Going past this is my biggest sticking point. I know some logistics can't be helped, but is really this difficult? I know its not suppose to be the outcome we always think we're going to get but u know what i mean...
My opinion is as u said for clubs, to bounce...sometimes its hard to bounce somewhere else?
DONSUAVE:
Depends where the party's at.
If it's a house party then bring her to the bathroom.
I've had friends banging chicks in bathrooms and I did it also.
If you just want to fuck you should stop giving yourself headaches with the game. You complicate your life for nothing.
I've said it before.
Just hit the gym get a nice style and be agressive/ suave. REAL SUAVE. If you don't know now you will, by trial and error.
Approach 10 000 chicks every night and eventually you'll find 1 that wants you, that has the guts to defy her friends and go against the group and could care less about logistics.
When a girl REALLY wants you to fuck her she DOESN'T CARE ABOUT LOGISTICS. I've had girls giving me blowjobs right on the street!
So your problem is really target selection and uncertainity.
Target selection:
You don't know which girl is down because you don't have enough experience. When you do, you will be able to tell which 1 is ready for a 1 night and which 1 is not. So the game will be much easier for you. So until you get it APPROACH...APPROACH...APPROACH until you find out
Uncertaininty:
You think about details. Logistics blabla...That's really details. Important details but not so important at this stage. You should focus on working your attraction to the point where you become truly efficient and irresistible. Then you must never let her the time to think. Like after kiss you must isolate immediatly, rapport or physically escalate etc.
If you leave her time to think she will think about it twice you won't get her.
Cuz player's strengh comes from speed.
You should also not bother too much on this forum if you want to become a player.
Also I've never been there but I think this forum might be more what you are looking for
http://forums.projectcovo.com
Sunday, November 16, 2008
More From Van Damme PART II
yea you'll notice when its "Go Time" when the couples are getting "lovey dovey", people are making out around you without caring about social pressure from others, etc. I think they call it "creepy times" or something on bootcamps, read it in the reviews.
1. I think I wouldn't make out that early in 10-15 min, but everyone is different. I think the only reason to makeout would be to be on the safe side and make sure the girl knows what is going to happen if she leaves with me, god forbid she thinks you're just friends leaving together, makeout erases that. instead of getting a makeout, work on keeping constant kino, claw on and off if its really makeoutworthy.
2. I thought the same thing man, like I'd leave and I'd think it was done. It can't be more backwards. The girl will think that you blew HER off because you wanted a way out of the conversation. Thats why you shouldnt make much creepy eye contact when you leave her to talk to others (you can leave her for your friends u dont gotta go straight to others girls).
Tyler talks about how no matter how much a girl likes you, she will refuse to reiniate contact (they are very uptight about this shit, like ur the "guy" she doenst wanna have to do nething), andit seems like she doesn't want to talk again. (social conditioning) The solution is to go back with and get back RIGHT where you left off. Don't make it like you're coming up to her and standing there, waiting for her validation to start laughing and having fun like she was last time. Just have the energy, "Heyyy u guys hows it goin so far" and just watch, they will snap RIGHT BACK into the nice giggly/whatever they were when you first talk to them. Try it you'll see, they truly beleive that you left either because you "ran away" or you don't like them anymore and were being nice and left. Leave absolutley NO room for the "awkwardness eye contact" and stuff that is drawing you the conclusion they want nothing to do with you. They're thinking "well wtf hes the one that left, wtf I am supposed to do when he looks over here again, wave at him???: (breaks eye contact, seems cold w/e)
All in all, don't make it seem like you ejected because you burned out, thats why I personally try to avoid eye contact until I re-initiate because I feel looking at each seriosuly and looking away without saying anything or waving/smiling will make it seem like your whole first ineraction was "fake" and you are moving on to other people. So make it appear genuine that you truly are having fun and like talking to lots of people. O yea, DO NOT value scan when you eject to talk to buddies, that makes it like game over because then she realizes you didn't leave because you wanted to talk to your buddies, but because you pussied out and want to find your "next target".
3. Yea man with more time, I realize its like the main thing and im workin on this shit every weekend too, gettin used to the rhythm of the night. If I fuck up and the girls leave alone, w/e but if they leave with another guy I am SUPER pissed cus what did he do better you know? so I always make sure to know the reason why it went with him /not me and analyze why things went right/wrong.
1. I think I wouldn't make out that early in 10-15 min, but everyone is different. I think the only reason to makeout would be to be on the safe side and make sure the girl knows what is going to happen if she leaves with me, god forbid she thinks you're just friends leaving together, makeout erases that. instead of getting a makeout, work on keeping constant kino, claw on and off if its really makeoutworthy.
2. I thought the same thing man, like I'd leave and I'd think it was done. It can't be more backwards. The girl will think that you blew HER off because you wanted a way out of the conversation. Thats why you shouldnt make much creepy eye contact when you leave her to talk to others (you can leave her for your friends u dont gotta go straight to others girls).
Tyler talks about how no matter how much a girl likes you, she will refuse to reiniate contact (they are very uptight about this shit, like ur the "guy" she doenst wanna have to do nething), andit seems like she doesn't want to talk again. (social conditioning) The solution is to go back with and get back RIGHT where you left off. Don't make it like you're coming up to her and standing there, waiting for her validation to start laughing and having fun like she was last time. Just have the energy, "Heyyy u guys hows it goin so far" and just watch, they will snap RIGHT BACK into the nice giggly/whatever they were when you first talk to them. Try it you'll see, they truly beleive that you left either because you "ran away" or you don't like them anymore and were being nice and left. Leave absolutley NO room for the "awkwardness eye contact" and stuff that is drawing you the conclusion they want nothing to do with you. They're thinking "well wtf hes the one that left, wtf I am supposed to do when he looks over here again, wave at him???: (breaks eye contact, seems cold w/e)
All in all, don't make it seem like you ejected because you burned out, thats why I personally try to avoid eye contact until I re-initiate because I feel looking at each seriosuly and looking away without saying anything or waving/smiling will make it seem like your whole first ineraction was "fake" and you are moving on to other people. So make it appear genuine that you truly are having fun and like talking to lots of people. O yea, DO NOT value scan when you eject to talk to buddies, that makes it like game over because then she realizes you didn't leave because you wanted to talk to your buddies, but because you pussied out and want to find your "next target".
3. Yea man with more time, I realize its like the main thing and im workin on this shit every weekend too, gettin used to the rhythm of the night. If I fuck up and the girls leave alone, w/e but if they leave with another guy I am SUPER pissed cus what did he do better you know? so I always make sure to know the reason why it went with him /not me and analyze why things went right/wrong.
More from Van Damme PART I
(beforehand, this is my experience in my first quarter of college, I dunno how other parties are with you, here a lot of them are free walkins with a lot of people)
Dude, 30 minutes of talking? thats a LOT, you got the kiss too? the "game" aspect should be in the bag man, I found that the less you talk the better. Look at all the chodes around you leaving with hot girls, all of this is like 90% logistics, if they see that you're a normal guy who they know is confident enough to approach anyone at that party, the game aspect is done with.
Like girls want it to feel "right" and "natural" with the guy, which in other words means the logistics go smoothly (they're not screening like crazy, girls hook up with LOTS of guys, the easier it is for her to go somewhere else with you, o well she chose you for the night and you're good)
So I was kinda buzzed last night, I'll be a little clearer on the 10-2 thing
1. The optimum time (I'll call it Go Time) is around 30 minutes before everyone leaves. Everyone has a little alcohol, and it is possible to just show up at the party at this time, find the girls that aren't talking to any guys and are value scanning/wondering why the fuck theres no chodes talking to them this late at night, and try to leave with them. This is the time that you go for leaving with them, and do all that shit. EVERYTHING goes down to this time window at the end of the night, where logistics have to go right and every girl is happy with her guy, cus if one girl isnt happy, well they might be kinda drunk and one tug of the arm and they are going home alone.
2. Now all the time before this (from the beginning of the party to now) where everyone is getting settled in, I'll call (Pre Time).
(im making these words up btw http://www.flawlessnaturalvideoblog.com/ watch the video on rhythm 10-2, it is so important and applicable)
The point here is to make yourself as much socially proofed, talking to a lot of people, looking as social as possible. Since girls notice this stuff at this time, later on during Go Time girls are too drunk or are so in the moment they do not notice the high value guys this late).
So just talking like a stupid normal conversation without even appearing to be hitting on them (its ok you can leave the escalating for Go Time, this time is just to look social and expose yourself to the girls)
All in all, it is to make yourself stand out in the girl's minds for when its Go Time at the end of the party.
Because a girl at the end of the night will rather leave with a guy that she was talking to sober early in the evening and made the mental switch thats hes a good guy shed fuck, then try to make a decision on fuckin a guy when she has drank and its the end of the night.
The interaction DOESNT go from start to finish nonstop, unless you do it dueing Go Time and are trying to get a really quick pull which is unreliable and is last resort.
You talk for a bit, say you'll talk to them later you gotta go to your friends, keep an eye out for other guys, to go in and cut them out w/e, then when its Go Time, those girls will be looking for the guy to leave with, and they will want you rather than the guy she hasnt seen before trying to pick her up in 5 minutes.
Like, the "pretime" conversation should be so casual, that you can easily drop in and out, like you go talk to your friends....and then 15 minutes later all you ahve to do is go "hey whatsup!" and they're like "oh hey" and you talk like you're old friends. I go in and reinitiate the chat when theres a guy getting all creepy for example.
man, talking to a girl for 30 minutes straight??? Getting a MAKEOUT???(or kiss w/e) Hell no man thats hard work, if you find the convo going stale get out of there and reiniate later (I guess the term is, do not overescalate so fast in the beginning of the night, keep it chill till it's go time, pretime you're just socialising and having fun with all your friends)
Then go time is when you make sure every girl has a buddy of yours, this is the window where you make the logistics go smoothly, blow out any faggots taht try to ruin your set with the girls, and all that stuff to leave. They have to leave sooner or later, just make sure its YOU thats the one leaving with them.
This will all depend on how they saw you in Pretime, because girls dont judge value that well when they are drunk so they will be going into their heads to remeber who were the cool guys that they had a great conversation with in the very beginning of the night. Oh and girls KNOW that guys have fake confidence from alcohol and are all trying to pull during Go Time, so thats why they are more apt towards the guys they have spoken to very early in the night
I wrote a lot, but so to RECAP
A.Go time is when you go and make things happen however you can (WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY/LOGISTICS $$$). You can get a quick pull here even if u just got there, for me this is from 11:45-12:15
B. Pre-time not "required", but is when you "prime" the girls and leave yourself on their minds, to make it as easy as possible to pull.
(you show what a cool guy you are, bouncin in and out of sets, etc.) for me this is like 9:30 to 11:30, thats plenty of time to talk to as many people asyou want
The girls would rather stay on the safe side and go leave with the guys they judged to be sexworthy when sober, and trust them to pull them at the end of the night.
Oh and no, you woul'nt have a "party" at your place, have some drinks there (even though they won't be used most likey, pop in a movie, have each guy isolate to different rooms "i gotta show you somthing" or "i wanna talk to you") and take them there. Be like "yea me and my buddies are gonna chill and drink at my place " that kind of vibe ,(u can call it an after party who cares)
This is what I've seen so far make sure u watch that flawless natural video its money for college parties, this is basically what ive made of the parties at my school so far, tried to explain it the best i could, I gotta write this shit out neway to internalize it well myself and keep going over it.
Dude, 30 minutes of talking? thats a LOT, you got the kiss too? the "game" aspect should be in the bag man, I found that the less you talk the better. Look at all the chodes around you leaving with hot girls, all of this is like 90% logistics, if they see that you're a normal guy who they know is confident enough to approach anyone at that party, the game aspect is done with.
Like girls want it to feel "right" and "natural" with the guy, which in other words means the logistics go smoothly (they're not screening like crazy, girls hook up with LOTS of guys, the easier it is for her to go somewhere else with you, o well she chose you for the night and you're good)
So I was kinda buzzed last night, I'll be a little clearer on the 10-2 thing
1. The optimum time (I'll call it Go Time) is around 30 minutes before everyone leaves. Everyone has a little alcohol, and it is possible to just show up at the party at this time, find the girls that aren't talking to any guys and are value scanning/wondering why the fuck theres no chodes talking to them this late at night, and try to leave with them. This is the time that you go for leaving with them, and do all that shit. EVERYTHING goes down to this time window at the end of the night, where logistics have to go right and every girl is happy with her guy, cus if one girl isnt happy, well they might be kinda drunk and one tug of the arm and they are going home alone.
2. Now all the time before this (from the beginning of the party to now) where everyone is getting settled in, I'll call (Pre Time).
(im making these words up btw http://www.flawlessnaturalvideoblog.com/ watch the video on rhythm 10-2, it is so important and applicable)
The point here is to make yourself as much socially proofed, talking to a lot of people, looking as social as possible. Since girls notice this stuff at this time, later on during Go Time girls are too drunk or are so in the moment they do not notice the high value guys this late).
So just talking like a stupid normal conversation without even appearing to be hitting on them (its ok you can leave the escalating for Go Time, this time is just to look social and expose yourself to the girls)
All in all, it is to make yourself stand out in the girl's minds for when its Go Time at the end of the party.
Because a girl at the end of the night will rather leave with a guy that she was talking to sober early in the evening and made the mental switch thats hes a good guy shed fuck, then try to make a decision on fuckin a guy when she has drank and its the end of the night.
The interaction DOESNT go from start to finish nonstop, unless you do it dueing Go Time and are trying to get a really quick pull which is unreliable and is last resort.
You talk for a bit, say you'll talk to them later you gotta go to your friends, keep an eye out for other guys, to go in and cut them out w/e, then when its Go Time, those girls will be looking for the guy to leave with, and they will want you rather than the guy she hasnt seen before trying to pick her up in 5 minutes.
Like, the "pretime" conversation should be so casual, that you can easily drop in and out, like you go talk to your friends....and then 15 minutes later all you ahve to do is go "hey whatsup!" and they're like "oh hey" and you talk like you're old friends. I go in and reinitiate the chat when theres a guy getting all creepy for example.
man, talking to a girl for 30 minutes straight??? Getting a MAKEOUT???(or kiss w/e) Hell no man thats hard work, if you find the convo going stale get out of there and reiniate later (I guess the term is, do not overescalate so fast in the beginning of the night, keep it chill till it's go time, pretime you're just socialising and having fun with all your friends)
Then go time is when you make sure every girl has a buddy of yours, this is the window where you make the logistics go smoothly, blow out any faggots taht try to ruin your set with the girls, and all that stuff to leave. They have to leave sooner or later, just make sure its YOU thats the one leaving with them.
This will all depend on how they saw you in Pretime, because girls dont judge value that well when they are drunk so they will be going into their heads to remeber who were the cool guys that they had a great conversation with in the very beginning of the night. Oh and girls KNOW that guys have fake confidence from alcohol and are all trying to pull during Go Time, so thats why they are more apt towards the guys they have spoken to very early in the night
I wrote a lot, but so to RECAP
A.Go time is when you go and make things happen however you can (WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY/LOGISTICS $$$). You can get a quick pull here even if u just got there, for me this is from 11:45-12:15
B. Pre-time not "required", but is when you "prime" the girls and leave yourself on their minds, to make it as easy as possible to pull.
(you show what a cool guy you are, bouncin in and out of sets, etc.) for me this is like 9:30 to 11:30, thats plenty of time to talk to as many people asyou want
The girls would rather stay on the safe side and go leave with the guys they judged to be sexworthy when sober, and trust them to pull them at the end of the night.
Oh and no, you woul'nt have a "party" at your place, have some drinks there (even though they won't be used most likey, pop in a movie, have each guy isolate to different rooms "i gotta show you somthing" or "i wanna talk to you") and take them there. Be like "yea me and my buddies are gonna chill and drink at my place " that kind of vibe ,(u can call it an after party who cares)
This is what I've seen so far make sure u watch that flawless natural video its money for college parties, this is basically what ive made of the parties at my school so far, tried to explain it the best i could, I gotta write this shit out neway to internalize it well myself and keep going over it.
Q & A About Logistics
Logistics to getting a girl to sex from a college party
Hey guys, it seems at parties, i do fine initially, talk to the girl, dance with her, then kiss....but then anything after just falls flat...that it seems so hard to just leave with her at the end of the night, it seems the area of logistics kick my ass. It seems like their so many obstacles to prevent u from leaving with the girl, even if u befriend her friend...from her friend wanting her to leave with her...not alone, to getting distracted with drama, to talking to the other people who own the house, etc.
I know im improving constantly, but from my impression...it would seem easier to take a girl back home from a club than a party. Would the girl at a college party HAVE TO BE VERY DRUNK for this to happen? Any advice would really help me out. I know im getting closer?
Van Damme From RSDNation Replies
dude your situation is NOT specific to college parties, that's how it always is. But me and my buddies work the college parties, so we've realized-
you need another guy on the same page as you, if its 3 girls and its only you 2, you better get a 3rd guy in there quick. (Ozzie transformations, just pull a guy in there say whatsup, and he'll stay, or just take a guy on the side and tell him whatsup and he'll most likely LOVE to help you and get with the 3rd girl)
The easiest way is to go to another party (keyword *PARTY*(sell the party, "this place SUX lets go to XXXXX yeaa eveyone lets goo awsome!") Trying to go straight home is a bit harder...but sell the home area as an afterparty, my buddy got an apartment so I dont have to use the dorms. Girls LOVE afterparties. Lemme tell you, the easiest way to pull girls from a party is to have a female freind talk it up and have HER ask the girls you're with.
Dude we fuckin took a group of 5 girls we just met within 2 minutes to agree with us to come, JUST BECAUSE one of my buddies GFs told them they should come. (and again dont bother with all this if you dont have an after paty spot where you could do bang bang, im just saying that if u have the luxury of having one like we did that night)
You'll get there man, watch how other guys leave with girls. This logistics stuff is ALL about the 10-2 rhythm, you can open a convo early on, then (well for me) around 12:15 is when you strike, and leave with them.
Like you can have a good interaction early in the night, then later on they will go to you rather than the other guys trying to get them at that window of time.
But you gotta figure out your own logistics, for example at my university we have parties like across the street walking distance from each other.
ONCE you move them to another party, you're in the clear because those ppl at the new party think ur together, theres less friends of them to cockblock, etc.
But dude nothing will ever go down if you dont have each guy with each girl, I say look for a player type of guy at the parties, or just one that is hitting on a lot of girls/opening sets left and right, just SOMEONE who is one the same page as you (get laid and social intuition/seeing the matrix, dont bring up PU shit since theyre naturals and they know wtf logistics are, we just put a fancy name to this stuff in the community)
Talk up where you're going like you're excited and keep fighting to leave with them, if another guy is gonig for that shit keep going, he'll give up when he realizes it'll be a lot easier to go for another girl since you keep staying on that shit.
Good luck and I hope you get consistent at getting girls from college parties, I know I'm workin on it like crazy to get consistent with it too.
ps. find a shitty party and then the girls will go to another party more, like me and my buddy went to a Latino/black party and found like pretty much the only 2 white girls there and left with them in only like 20 min or less (damn drunk time is weird), because they were looking for hot white guys you know..., kind of like how guys try to PU girls in gay bars, well no shit if you're straight, its gonna go better
And dont be afraid to BS a little, we just went like "PARTY AT THE ****APARTMENTS", and when we got there it was just my buddies place and he just popped in a movie. If they leave with you, that late, you gotta escalate on the way cus they know whatsup when they leave with you. So its ok to BS a party, they most likely wont care because a party is basically a place with alcohol, which counts. ok i wrote a shitload make what u can of it peace lol
Hey guys, it seems at parties, i do fine initially, talk to the girl, dance with her, then kiss....but then anything after just falls flat...that it seems so hard to just leave with her at the end of the night, it seems the area of logistics kick my ass. It seems like their so many obstacles to prevent u from leaving with the girl, even if u befriend her friend...from her friend wanting her to leave with her...not alone, to getting distracted with drama, to talking to the other people who own the house, etc.
I know im improving constantly, but from my impression...it would seem easier to take a girl back home from a club than a party. Would the girl at a college party HAVE TO BE VERY DRUNK for this to happen? Any advice would really help me out. I know im getting closer?
Van Damme From RSDNation Replies
dude your situation is NOT specific to college parties, that's how it always is. But me and my buddies work the college parties, so we've realized-
you need another guy on the same page as you, if its 3 girls and its only you 2, you better get a 3rd guy in there quick. (Ozzie transformations, just pull a guy in there say whatsup, and he'll stay, or just take a guy on the side and tell him whatsup and he'll most likely LOVE to help you and get with the 3rd girl)
The easiest way is to go to another party (keyword *PARTY*(sell the party, "this place SUX lets go to XXXXX yeaa eveyone lets goo awsome!") Trying to go straight home is a bit harder...but sell the home area as an afterparty, my buddy got an apartment so I dont have to use the dorms. Girls LOVE afterparties. Lemme tell you, the easiest way to pull girls from a party is to have a female freind talk it up and have HER ask the girls you're with.
Dude we fuckin took a group of 5 girls we just met within 2 minutes to agree with us to come, JUST BECAUSE one of my buddies GFs told them they should come. (and again dont bother with all this if you dont have an after paty spot where you could do bang bang, im just saying that if u have the luxury of having one like we did that night)
You'll get there man, watch how other guys leave with girls. This logistics stuff is ALL about the 10-2 rhythm, you can open a convo early on, then (well for me) around 12:15 is when you strike, and leave with them.
Like you can have a good interaction early in the night, then later on they will go to you rather than the other guys trying to get them at that window of time.
But you gotta figure out your own logistics, for example at my university we have parties like across the street walking distance from each other.
ONCE you move them to another party, you're in the clear because those ppl at the new party think ur together, theres less friends of them to cockblock, etc.
But dude nothing will ever go down if you dont have each guy with each girl, I say look for a player type of guy at the parties, or just one that is hitting on a lot of girls/opening sets left and right, just SOMEONE who is one the same page as you (get laid and social intuition/seeing the matrix, dont bring up PU shit since theyre naturals and they know wtf logistics are, we just put a fancy name to this stuff in the community)
Talk up where you're going like you're excited and keep fighting to leave with them, if another guy is gonig for that shit keep going, he'll give up when he realizes it'll be a lot easier to go for another girl since you keep staying on that shit.
Good luck and I hope you get consistent at getting girls from college parties, I know I'm workin on it like crazy to get consistent with it too.
ps. find a shitty party and then the girls will go to another party more, like me and my buddy went to a Latino/black party and found like pretty much the only 2 white girls there and left with them in only like 20 min or less (damn drunk time is weird), because they were looking for hot white guys you know..., kind of like how guys try to PU girls in gay bars, well no shit if you're straight, its gonna go better
And dont be afraid to BS a little, we just went like "PARTY AT THE ****APARTMENTS", and when we got there it was just my buddies place and he just popped in a movie. If they leave with you, that late, you gotta escalate on the way cus they know whatsup when they leave with you. So its ok to BS a party, they most likely wont care because a party is basically a place with alcohol, which counts. ok i wrote a shitload make what u can of it peace lol
Saturday, August 30, 2008
Final Summer Analysis
Aright, this summer i definitely learned alot in the game. I made some good improvements, became smarter, and am even more determined to succeed.
What I've learned
1) That the only way to still succeed in the game to keep at it
2) Don't give up. There have been times over the course of the game that i've wanted to give up. I was at my breaking point at times, but thanks to my friends and supporters, i've kept going. I will never give up. Seduction is too important to me, its a part of me.
3) You are a different breed of man. You stand out compared to other guys. You do things most guys are scared shitless to do.
4) Stand up for ur beliefs. I've stood up for my beliefs in the game, and i don't back down. There were some girls who were like, "It shows bad character to approach lots of girls" or "You approached me already" or "You won't win(In reference to their friend that im gaming". But then i learned that despite that, those women couldn't say anything after when i responded to them "It shows good character as i'm going for what i want and there's a risk people will hate me for it...but what matters is what i want to do" or "Yea, i did. So what?" or "There's no winning or losing. I just do my thing"
5) Girls want a playboy still. There were times i doubted that girls want a guy who's good with women and only want a guy who just always likes one girl. But thats far from the truth.
6) Confrontations will happen. If i aint having difficult, in the sense of AMOGs, then something is wrong. I've been confronted as a result of approaching, but i didn't get punched or kicked. Just threats.
7) The girls u desire the most tend to be the ones that desire u too. I've seen it, yet sometimes didn't believe it but it was true.
8) Success will come. As David X says, "As time goes on and u go at it...eventually u'll reach success." It might not be for a week, a month, a year, or hell...even a decade. I don't know. But all i know is that i will keep going. I won't give up my biggest dream, i want to be a playboy. The day that i heard it was possible, i really felt that i didn't have to accept my fate of never loving myself and wanting to be someone else. But, i realized that the possibilities are there. Success will come!
What i've improved
1) I can approach consistently. I have been doing it consistently for 8 months total now.
2) My night game has improved. 9 months ago and before, it sucked. I had trouble keeping conversation. Now a days, im now at the point of kissing despite all the obstacles that i dealt with along the way. Those obstacles don't really happen anymore.
3) My day game has improved. For about 10 months, my direct game was more with just opening. But now i realize the truth reason to go direct and as a result, i got 5 day 2s over the course of the month. More than i have ever gotten in one month than in my entire life.
4) No longer consider people who are very popular to be above me. They are human beings like us. We are equal. From my own standpoint, i don't need LOTS of friends to attract or seduce women. I am enough.
5) I am less self conscious about approaching in front of people. I realized that either people don't give a shit or that if they do, its more of amazement.
6)I don't have to run out of things to say. I can fill that void.
7) Plowing. I'll keep going, even if im exhausted.
8) Women's reactions. Lots of girls are more receptive to me when i approach compared to in the past.
9) Attachment to outcome. My attachment to outcome has gone down. I was so concerned bout laying, that it frustrated me so much. But then i just let alot of it go, and thus im doing better.
10)I consider no girl or woman to be out of my league. Sure i haven't gamed Bartenders or girls who work there, BUT i find that i should game non-hired guns first, as i feel that it'll be easier for me once i can do the other situations first.
11) Can Game Solo. I can go to a night venue solo, which is def not easy. Sometimes when i went there, i wish i had a wing. But nowadays, i could care less. I think its better for me to do it solo anyhow.
12) Less affected by rejection. I def am less affected by rejection. Sure if it happens once in a blue moon, its like "wow" but when it happens now and then, its like "Ah that didn't work out, on to the next"
13) Eye contact and Touch. they have def improved. I no longer look predatorial with it, and my touch is less hesitant. My touch has more purpose now.
What i need to improve
1) Hesitanting in some approaches. Usually if im not confident, i'll wait a lil while. I usually wait till im more mentally able to do it, BUT sometimes opportunities pass you by.
2) Calibration for closing. Still needs improvement
3) Approaching sets. I could do more, as some opportunities passed me by since they were with one other friend. I can do it at night, then why shouldn't i do it during the day?
4) Caring what the girl i just approached who had a good reaction(who says she's taken), will think. Its weird, sometimes i think it makes me look like a snake, that i went to direct to u and then another girl. The key is to not value her opinion of u. If she considers u scum, who cares? She's taken. No need to acknowledge it or her.
5) Afraid to get kicked out of some parties. Its not the kicking out i still am hesitant of. Its how i'd handle it afterward. I will improve that.
6) Caring what others think. I still think i care what some acquaintences think. But recently, i've still taken action.
7) When a girl is walking away after a meh approach, i tend to have the need to speed up my voice to get their attention. But i'll stop that.
8) Still attaching some level of outcome to getting lays this final semester at Radford. Thanks to my friends' support, this attachment has gone down. Thats the only way i'll be able to keep going without feeling complete frustration.
So all in all, Got the final semester to go. Let's rock!
What I've learned
1) That the only way to still succeed in the game to keep at it
2) Don't give up. There have been times over the course of the game that i've wanted to give up. I was at my breaking point at times, but thanks to my friends and supporters, i've kept going. I will never give up. Seduction is too important to me, its a part of me.
3) You are a different breed of man. You stand out compared to other guys. You do things most guys are scared shitless to do.
4) Stand up for ur beliefs. I've stood up for my beliefs in the game, and i don't back down. There were some girls who were like, "It shows bad character to approach lots of girls" or "You approached me already" or "You won't win(In reference to their friend that im gaming". But then i learned that despite that, those women couldn't say anything after when i responded to them "It shows good character as i'm going for what i want and there's a risk people will hate me for it...but what matters is what i want to do" or "Yea, i did. So what?" or "There's no winning or losing. I just do my thing"
5) Girls want a playboy still. There were times i doubted that girls want a guy who's good with women and only want a guy who just always likes one girl. But thats far from the truth.
6) Confrontations will happen. If i aint having difficult, in the sense of AMOGs, then something is wrong. I've been confronted as a result of approaching, but i didn't get punched or kicked. Just threats.
7) The girls u desire the most tend to be the ones that desire u too. I've seen it, yet sometimes didn't believe it but it was true.
8) Success will come. As David X says, "As time goes on and u go at it...eventually u'll reach success." It might not be for a week, a month, a year, or hell...even a decade. I don't know. But all i know is that i will keep going. I won't give up my biggest dream, i want to be a playboy. The day that i heard it was possible, i really felt that i didn't have to accept my fate of never loving myself and wanting to be someone else. But, i realized that the possibilities are there. Success will come!
What i've improved
1) I can approach consistently. I have been doing it consistently for 8 months total now.
2) My night game has improved. 9 months ago and before, it sucked. I had trouble keeping conversation. Now a days, im now at the point of kissing despite all the obstacles that i dealt with along the way. Those obstacles don't really happen anymore.
3) My day game has improved. For about 10 months, my direct game was more with just opening. But now i realize the truth reason to go direct and as a result, i got 5 day 2s over the course of the month. More than i have ever gotten in one month than in my entire life.
4) No longer consider people who are very popular to be above me. They are human beings like us. We are equal. From my own standpoint, i don't need LOTS of friends to attract or seduce women. I am enough.
5) I am less self conscious about approaching in front of people. I realized that either people don't give a shit or that if they do, its more of amazement.
6)I don't have to run out of things to say. I can fill that void.
7) Plowing. I'll keep going, even if im exhausted.
8) Women's reactions. Lots of girls are more receptive to me when i approach compared to in the past.
9) Attachment to outcome. My attachment to outcome has gone down. I was so concerned bout laying, that it frustrated me so much. But then i just let alot of it go, and thus im doing better.
10)I consider no girl or woman to be out of my league. Sure i haven't gamed Bartenders or girls who work there, BUT i find that i should game non-hired guns first, as i feel that it'll be easier for me once i can do the other situations first.
11) Can Game Solo. I can go to a night venue solo, which is def not easy. Sometimes when i went there, i wish i had a wing. But nowadays, i could care less. I think its better for me to do it solo anyhow.
12) Less affected by rejection. I def am less affected by rejection. Sure if it happens once in a blue moon, its like "wow" but when it happens now and then, its like "Ah that didn't work out, on to the next"
13) Eye contact and Touch. they have def improved. I no longer look predatorial with it, and my touch is less hesitant. My touch has more purpose now.
What i need to improve
1) Hesitanting in some approaches. Usually if im not confident, i'll wait a lil while. I usually wait till im more mentally able to do it, BUT sometimes opportunities pass you by.
2) Calibration for closing. Still needs improvement
3) Approaching sets. I could do more, as some opportunities passed me by since they were with one other friend. I can do it at night, then why shouldn't i do it during the day?
4) Caring what the girl i just approached who had a good reaction(who says she's taken), will think. Its weird, sometimes i think it makes me look like a snake, that i went to direct to u and then another girl. The key is to not value her opinion of u. If she considers u scum, who cares? She's taken. No need to acknowledge it or her.
5) Afraid to get kicked out of some parties. Its not the kicking out i still am hesitant of. Its how i'd handle it afterward. I will improve that.
6) Caring what others think. I still think i care what some acquaintences think. But recently, i've still taken action.
7) When a girl is walking away after a meh approach, i tend to have the need to speed up my voice to get their attention. But i'll stop that.
8) Still attaching some level of outcome to getting lays this final semester at Radford. Thanks to my friends' support, this attachment has gone down. Thats the only way i'll be able to keep going without feeling complete frustration.
So all in all, Got the final semester to go. Let's rock!
Friday, June 13, 2008
6/12/08
Aright today, much didn't go on. Went up to one girl, in an annoyed tone said she was studying for a test. turns out she didn't look good at all.
Another was a cute blonde who smiled when i was the comp lab. I could tell she was busy, so i just chatted her up for a minute but didn't decide to continue further.
Was a sexy legged, nice assed older black haired woman with glasses. I see her face and is ok, but i still would've wanted to bone her. I go up to her, tell her i wanted to meet her. I held back what i really wanted to say, "Sexy" because i did find her that way. She says she's about to pick up her son. She has the face of not believing me...but in these situations u just keep plowing. Plus i kinda cared what the people around me thought of trying to game an older woman who worked at the university. Was near a parking lot.
Saw the cute skinny brunette girl the day before, she told me that she'd prolly give me her number tomorrow. Today i told her, but she told me she had a bf. It didn't care if it was true or not, i decided to just let her go. I didn't care about persisting it
During the night, i sent to the club/college bar and let me tell you...it sucked. Not really any girls to choose from. I did try to game a girl who i see around who went to my HS. I had too many thoughts in my head. I tried to isolate her but she didn't want to, calling what i did "tricky". :-p. But the funny thing is that most girls aren't use to that, so isolation is what a man does to get a girl alone.
Gamed a black haired thick woman. This girl was with a male friend who kept an eye on her. That kinda held me back a little. I just check out her outfit and rate it. Looking at her rack and then looking right up to her eyes. I say her interest was ok, i tried isolating her so then it would just be me and her w/o the friend seeing us...but she didn't want to. I then decided to no longer try to game her.
Gamed a blonde i had went up to before, she didn't remember me. She gave me some good e/c, i guess it was from me going up to girls dancing with them. I sit with her and her friends. Her BFF, another blonde, was definitely the cockblocker, but the blonde def wanted to talk to me somemore. It was hilarious. The blonde always made sure each time i said something, that she could hear it, she was that close.
Tonight i say was aright, just wished there were a few more girls. Most people were leaving, so there was no reason to get a number as i wouldn't see em again for a while since Summer II students weren't there.
What I can improve on:
1) I have a fear of boring the girl i go into rapport. Sometimes i feel rapport after being fun at first, is my only resort when i don't know what else to say or they're not giving much back.
2) I got to Stay in nimbus(Adrenaline rush) longer.
3) Not ejecting after a rejected isolation
4) If the cockblocker tries to sabotage me, i just stay calm...keep being friendly, and still try to isolate. :-)
Another was a cute blonde who smiled when i was the comp lab. I could tell she was busy, so i just chatted her up for a minute but didn't decide to continue further.
Was a sexy legged, nice assed older black haired woman with glasses. I see her face and is ok, but i still would've wanted to bone her. I go up to her, tell her i wanted to meet her. I held back what i really wanted to say, "Sexy" because i did find her that way. She says she's about to pick up her son. She has the face of not believing me...but in these situations u just keep plowing. Plus i kinda cared what the people around me thought of trying to game an older woman who worked at the university. Was near a parking lot.
Saw the cute skinny brunette girl the day before, she told me that she'd prolly give me her number tomorrow. Today i told her, but she told me she had a bf. It didn't care if it was true or not, i decided to just let her go. I didn't care about persisting it
During the night, i sent to the club/college bar and let me tell you...it sucked. Not really any girls to choose from. I did try to game a girl who i see around who went to my HS. I had too many thoughts in my head. I tried to isolate her but she didn't want to, calling what i did "tricky". :-p. But the funny thing is that most girls aren't use to that, so isolation is what a man does to get a girl alone.
Gamed a black haired thick woman. This girl was with a male friend who kept an eye on her. That kinda held me back a little. I just check out her outfit and rate it. Looking at her rack and then looking right up to her eyes. I say her interest was ok, i tried isolating her so then it would just be me and her w/o the friend seeing us...but she didn't want to. I then decided to no longer try to game her.
Gamed a blonde i had went up to before, she didn't remember me. She gave me some good e/c, i guess it was from me going up to girls dancing with them. I sit with her and her friends. Her BFF, another blonde, was definitely the cockblocker, but the blonde def wanted to talk to me somemore. It was hilarious. The blonde always made sure each time i said something, that she could hear it, she was that close.
Tonight i say was aright, just wished there were a few more girls. Most people were leaving, so there was no reason to get a number as i wouldn't see em again for a while since Summer II students weren't there.
What I can improve on:
1) I have a fear of boring the girl i go into rapport. Sometimes i feel rapport after being fun at first, is my only resort when i don't know what else to say or they're not giving much back.
2) I got to Stay in nimbus(Adrenaline rush) longer.
3) Not ejecting after a rejected isolation
4) If the cockblocker tries to sabotage me, i just stay calm...keep being friendly, and still try to isolate. :-)
Monday, May 26, 2008
"I can Go up to a girl, talk to her, but i can't take this to sex!"
For the past year and a half. I had the biggest problem at parties and clubs...
I can't kiss
Thats right, my biggest fear was going for the kiss. It boggled me how guys found it much harder to cold approach a girl but much easier to kiss one at a party. It boggled me for a long time. I could go up to a girl, talked to her, laugh with her, but i couldn't kiss her. The feeling of shame and failure was so strong. Its costed me quite a few potential lays.
Then one of my friends who also has a blog. Its at www.drewpua.blogspot.com...
he showed me RSD Transformations and it opened my eyes. Ozzie, one of the instructors there, taught me about closing. It boggled my eyes so much to the point where i finally figured what i was doing wrong for so long.
I then decided to put that stuff to the test just two months ago. Sadly, only 1/13 girls i tried to make out with....reciprocated. I Then realized, i was having trouble isolating girls more so.
So then i've decided to back to the that. Making Sure I can isolate girls first! Once i can do that, i go for the kiss. But if a girl rejects the isolation, i still keep talking to her. I try again, if she doesn't...i still go for it.
I can't kiss
Thats right, my biggest fear was going for the kiss. It boggled me how guys found it much harder to cold approach a girl but much easier to kiss one at a party. It boggled me for a long time. I could go up to a girl, talked to her, laugh with her, but i couldn't kiss her. The feeling of shame and failure was so strong. Its costed me quite a few potential lays.
Then one of my friends who also has a blog. Its at www.drewpua.blogspot.com...
he showed me RSD Transformations and it opened my eyes. Ozzie, one of the instructors there, taught me about closing. It boggled my eyes so much to the point where i finally figured what i was doing wrong for so long.
I then decided to put that stuff to the test just two months ago. Sadly, only 1/13 girls i tried to make out with....reciprocated. I Then realized, i was having trouble isolating girls more so.
So then i've decided to back to the that. Making Sure I can isolate girls first! Once i can do that, i go for the kiss. But if a girl rejects the isolation, i still keep talking to her. I try again, if she doesn't...i still go for it.
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