Logistics are really what separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
In your scenario, the odds were already against you.
She's staying at a coworker's house, they have something to do the next morning, and they were tired...
I would not even try to pull a set with those logistics, I'd get a phone number and go try to find another girl with better logistics.
The Magic logistics gathering questions are:
What's on the agenda for later?- This is the equivalent of "wanna fuck?" in modern barspeak. Plus it lets you seed the pull for later. I use this in the first 10 minutes EVERYTIME.
Did you guys meet here or come together?- You have to find out what the travel situation is. Ideally they met at the venue and the girl you're interested in drove herself.
Do you have work tomorrow?- Let's you find out how late she can reasonably stay up.
In your specific situation Steve, you would want to use Captain Jack (www.Masssexualframing.com)'s classic line,
" You guys are leaving already? I'm so not ready for my night to end."
Then I would have asked the girls to drive me to my car and directed them out of the bar's parking lot towards my place. You never want to go to a girl's place if you can avoid it.
Hope that helps,
Til next time,
Sinn
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Sunday, February 22, 2009
Friday, December 12, 2008
Notes for what to do after makeout
Question
hmmm so let me get this straight ...
Approach target - Ride the train - go for makeout - end makeout first - and then chill till a later time and then pull to pad for ONS?
You sure this is the appropiate steps? Wont the target think that you lost interest in her? You are saying not to keep sexual tension up?
So what do you do just sit by her and claw her once and awhile? or go wander around the club and open more sets?
"Then get super sexual and chill until it's time to pull." ie Wade said this ... so whats super sexual with out some biting and kissing stuff? I dont see whats the big deal about using the mouth more then once if you want to pull home.
I can see how if you were not going to pull home you dont want to go for the big big makeout - and if you wanted to open more sets ...
Answer
There are a lot of variables here, but the main issues:
You don't want to escalate too quickly because then you will have nowhere to go. I used to get the makeout and then was like "Now what?!"
I'll keep physical kino going afterwards, hip bumps, random hugs, hair pulling... and continue to lead her around. Maybe take her to the dance floor for a bit, or to get a drink.
I'll also just stare at her with the "bedroom eyes" until she is like "What? What?!" -just amps up the sexual tension when you play with silence
Maybe a little sexual push-pull i.e. "What are you doing to me, I just came out to hang out with my friends and you got me all hot and bothered!"
Also a HUGE HUGE part of this is after you are "locked in" with the girl (i.e. know she will go home with you) to go interact with her friends so when it comes time to pull they are on your side and not just the pull away friends...
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hmmm so let me get this straight ...
Approach target - Ride the train - go for makeout - end makeout first - and then chill till a later time and then pull to pad for ONS?
You sure this is the appropiate steps? Wont the target think that you lost interest in her? You are saying not to keep sexual tension up?
So what do you do just sit by her and claw her once and awhile? or go wander around the club and open more sets?
"Then get super sexual and chill until it's time to pull." ie Wade said this ... so whats super sexual with out some biting and kissing stuff? I dont see whats the big deal about using the mouth more then once if you want to pull home.
I can see how if you were not going to pull home you dont want to go for the big big makeout - and if you wanted to open more sets ...
Answer
There are a lot of variables here, but the main issues:
You don't want to escalate too quickly because then you will have nowhere to go. I used to get the makeout and then was like "Now what?!"
I'll keep physical kino going afterwards, hip bumps, random hugs, hair pulling... and continue to lead her around. Maybe take her to the dance floor for a bit, or to get a drink.
I'll also just stare at her with the "bedroom eyes" until she is like "What? What?!" -just amps up the sexual tension when you play with silence
Maybe a little sexual push-pull i.e. "What are you doing to me, I just came out to hang out with my friends and you got me all hot and bothered!"
Also a HUGE HUGE part of this is after you are "locked in" with the girl (i.e. know she will go home with you) to go interact with her friends so when it comes time to pull they are on your side and not just the pull away friends...
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Friday, December 5, 2008
Advice from Tamer of RSD
This is a piece i found. This should help me out ALOT, when i game in the real world, thats for certain!
Perfecting Day 2s: Getting laid, not Spending a Dime, while living with your parents
Right before I moved to Las Vegas moved in with my parents for a few weeks and I was saving my money. However I still be wanted to get laid. I stumbled by chance on a REALLY solid day 2 lay rate. I told some of my friends about it and they had similar success to mine so I KNEW I was onto something.
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DAY 2: TAMER's CUDDLE CHALLENGE
Basically here is how it goes down:
1) Set up the day 2: Say something along the lines of "We need to hang out." She will agree if you ran a somewhat solid set.
2) After she says "yes" tell her that you are "tired of the bar scene" and that you "just want to chill" and that you are "just in the mood to watch a movie or something."
3) ASSUME THAT SHE AGREES: before she has a chance to say something right when you are done with step 2 kinda interrupt yourself and say: WAIT! I need to know! Do you know how to cuddle?"
4) she WILL say something along the lines of "yes" or "of course" or whatever. Then you challenge her again. "NO Seriously like on a scale from 1-10 how good are you?"
5) She will give a number and you will tease her with about her answer... "I dunno if I believe that! I'm just letting you know right now if a girl can't cuddle its an immediate deal breaker! She can have 10 kids and thousands of dollars of debt and thats bad n all but if she cant cuddle... NOT A CHANCE!"
6) Usually they go along with it and if they challenge you back you say. "Look Im the Cuddle King dont even try to step up to this! I cuddle at a whole other level you have no idea!"
7) CLOSE THE DEAL: Tell her "OK TOUGH GUY! You talk the talk we'll see if you can walk the walk."
8) Set the date up at her place. You'll bring a small selection of movies.
9) When you get to her place its hard to escalate sometimes. But since you CHALLENGED HER ON HER CUDDLING ABILITY, as soon as you guys pop in the DVD you grab a blanket jump on her couch/bed/whatever lay down on your side and say something along the lines of: "OK lets see what you got TOUGH GUY!" I even snap my fingers sometime.
10) once shes lays down it might not be that comfortable because she might be a bit scared to get too close. She will be close but not close enough. CALL HER ON IT! You are the CUDDLE KING! Tell her something along the lines of this: "OMG! what is this? I thought you said you were good. Here go like this!" literally shift her around and move body parts around until you are super close spooning or whatever tell her "Like this!" Then tell her "Yah you got potential"
11) when you are cuddling like this, the make-out and sexual escalation is inevitable as long as you are not a total chode.
Ive done this 5 or so times times no problems over the course of a few weeks (while living with my parents, not spending a dime) and it basically totally skips the date and goes right to her home where you are in a situation that lends itself to sex and/or heavy making out. I give examples of specific lines I use but obviously use verbiage that YOU feel comfortable and congruent with. But basically you are framing the day 2 as a CUDDLE CHALLENGE as an excuse to get super close to her REALLY fast and skip all the bullshit.
ENJOY!
Tamer
Perfecting Day 2s: Getting laid, not Spending a Dime, while living with your parents
Right before I moved to Las Vegas moved in with my parents for a few weeks and I was saving my money. However I still be wanted to get laid. I stumbled by chance on a REALLY solid day 2 lay rate. I told some of my friends about it and they had similar success to mine so I KNEW I was onto something.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DAY 2: TAMER's CUDDLE CHALLENGE
Basically here is how it goes down:
1) Set up the day 2: Say something along the lines of "We need to hang out." She will agree if you ran a somewhat solid set.
2) After she says "yes" tell her that you are "tired of the bar scene" and that you "just want to chill" and that you are "just in the mood to watch a movie or something."
3) ASSUME THAT SHE AGREES: before she has a chance to say something right when you are done with step 2 kinda interrupt yourself and say: WAIT! I need to know! Do you know how to cuddle?"
4) she WILL say something along the lines of "yes" or "of course" or whatever. Then you challenge her again. "NO Seriously like on a scale from 1-10 how good are you?"
5) She will give a number and you will tease her with about her answer... "I dunno if I believe that! I'm just letting you know right now if a girl can't cuddle its an immediate deal breaker! She can have 10 kids and thousands of dollars of debt and thats bad n all but if she cant cuddle... NOT A CHANCE!"
6) Usually they go along with it and if they challenge you back you say. "Look Im the Cuddle King dont even try to step up to this! I cuddle at a whole other level you have no idea!"
7) CLOSE THE DEAL: Tell her "OK TOUGH GUY! You talk the talk we'll see if you can walk the walk."
8) Set the date up at her place. You'll bring a small selection of movies.
9) When you get to her place its hard to escalate sometimes. But since you CHALLENGED HER ON HER CUDDLING ABILITY, as soon as you guys pop in the DVD you grab a blanket jump on her couch/bed/whatever lay down on your side and say something along the lines of: "OK lets see what you got TOUGH GUY!" I even snap my fingers sometime.
10) once shes lays down it might not be that comfortable because she might be a bit scared to get too close. She will be close but not close enough. CALL HER ON IT! You are the CUDDLE KING! Tell her something along the lines of this: "OMG! what is this? I thought you said you were good. Here go like this!" literally shift her around and move body parts around until you are super close spooning or whatever tell her "Like this!" Then tell her "Yah you got potential"
11) when you are cuddling like this, the make-out and sexual escalation is inevitable as long as you are not a total chode.
Ive done this 5 or so times times no problems over the course of a few weeks (while living with my parents, not spending a dime) and it basically totally skips the date and goes right to her home where you are in a situation that lends itself to sex and/or heavy making out. I give examples of specific lines I use but obviously use verbiage that YOU feel comfortable and congruent with. But basically you are framing the day 2 as a CUDDLE CHALLENGE as an excuse to get super close to her REALLY fast and skip all the bullshit.
ENJOY!
Tamer
Monday, November 24, 2008
More Notes on Logistics
How often do girls leave clubs with guys?
Alot more than you think.
Logistics prevents it.
Catching them during the time they are looking to be loose, even if normally they wouldn't
Your giving her good sex that she hasn't really had/fun night/deep rapport
Being the guy can plug those gaps in the moment, can make the guy that takes her home
Game, those opportunities, is what gets you laid.
You Don't Want to be relationship material, just be good enough for sex. Just have enough comfort. Don't build too much comfort/knows you too well...she won't risk that.Women don't need to know all the details about u, they just need to have the sense.
If ur a guy who doesn't give it away, but enough to peak her curiousity....
Don't emotionally progesss, but logistically progress.
EXTERNAL FACTORS TO DETERMINE IT:
What will prevent her?
Pact that they go home together.
NY alot easier vs. LA, because girls arrive in the club either by themselves or leave by themselves.
NY so easy to take a cab.
Got to make it as easy as possible to get her home with you.
Make it seem as smooth and natural as possible.
The places being close and know how to get there without hassle.
With guy friends, they don't worry as much. With gf, it is tricker.
A) Build rapport with group
B) Put her away with the group
-How drunk she is.
-How many people see her leave. The more discrete, the better.
-If u need to put her away and have a conversation. Text her friends that she's gonna stay with another friend.
-Ask her if she's working tomorrow?
-Don't waste 4 hours of ur night talking to a girl when she's gotta get up at 6 AM. Came with 10 female friends, and she's not drinking. 1 drink and 8 drinks, give the girl the same excuse to her mind and friends. She can tell her friends and herself.
-Guy friend who play more of a protector: Thats a challenge. Its all in how u treat the other guys. If u come in a very strong frame, the guy's defenses will go up. If you go in wiht a cool, friendly guy. His alarm isn't going off that much, if he starts to act like an idiot in front of u....its too late. -If the guy is genuinely a protector that has no sexual interest, just have build extreme comfort with him...so he can build the torch to u, he'll be relieved. A guy he can trust, so he can meet girls himself.
-If the guy is trying to sleep with her, then u got to turn it around on him. "Wow...that guy is really really into u" and it will click in her mind. Hey, im just being friendly and talking to people
How do you take a girl out from the club?-Gradually building up compliance/Gradually build up the things u do with her. Take her to different places within that venue. Dance Floor, bar,meeting different friends, couch, bounce her to somewhere that isn't that far away and isn't that high investment. "Hey lets get a quick bite to eat/go to this other bar around the corner".
-Don't stand in that same spot for so long. If a girl doesn't like u enough to sit down to a couch with u, there's no way ur gonna take her home.
-She's more attracted to u/respected u cuz u made a move even if she says no at first.
-To actually hook up with a girl, u do need to move this forward.
-A good reason to move someone somewhere other than sex.
-Even if a girl knows deep down ur gonna take her home, a girl wants to come out of the club having Plausible Deniability.
-SEEDING is def a good thing to do, as later when u mention them...its not such a shock. Cuz if she rejects it in the beginning, u'll find out the possibility sooner lol.
-Whatever you say and do to convince, keep it light hearted.
-No need to try to objectively/logistically convince her
When do you do when a girl objects to coming home with you?
When a girl objects it, treat it as a non-issue. Keep on moving her. Just don't even worry about it. Don't treat anything as an issue. The question is: Is she still with you?
How sexual should you get in the club?
HANDJOB ON DANCE FLOOR:on dancefloor, start kino escalating on dance floor. First u want to slow dance, while everyone is fast dancing. She forgets every one. U just slowly move her hands to ur crotch. Then go down in your pants. Fun little gimick. Don't recommend for proper game.
If u want a SNL:
When in the club, be working attraction hard. Build alot of sexual tension. Have a sexual presence. Be a guy that puts sexual seeds..but don't act on em. Kiss her on the lips, don't be the sloppy make out guy either for anything longer than a minute. Be the guy that keeps her at the edge of her seat building that sexual tension. When that tension is high and she hasn't made out with u yet, thats when u logistically escalate. Then when u get home, bam...sexually escalate. "Damn u look so sexy tonight..." etc...
Taking a girl home from a date vs taking a girl home from a club
on Day 2, u don't have to deal with logistics as much. You control logistics. 100% control of her coming to house/etc. Logistics are in your favor. She's away from all her friends. Dates are all comfort and then doing logistical and physical escalation. In a night game, do just enough comfort so she feels safe.But ur game mainly is attraction. Spike her emotions, not logically. Have her having alot of fun.
Girl go make decisions from moment to moment
Can still get all kinds of issues.
Ignore her words and watch her actions!
As long as she's not leaving, its still on
Best thing to say is "Cool"
If you haven't had any good interactions by the end of the night, is the night lost?
See how many girls a girl leaves a night club without a guy?
Look around and see which groups of girls are still standing there kinda checking things out/not really in a rush to leave. Those girls u just look at them, grab ur friend. Go up to them. Make it easy for them. Don't make it a big compliance thing. Make it a small thing. Bounce with them.
Easiest way to have a small compliance to bounce her somewhere else.(Club). Pulling is messy.Its never clean cut.
Alot more than you think.
Logistics prevents it.
Catching them during the time they are looking to be loose, even if normally they wouldn't
Your giving her good sex that she hasn't really had/fun night/deep rapport
Being the guy can plug those gaps in the moment, can make the guy that takes her home
Game, those opportunities, is what gets you laid.
You Don't Want to be relationship material, just be good enough for sex. Just have enough comfort. Don't build too much comfort/knows you too well...she won't risk that.Women don't need to know all the details about u, they just need to have the sense.
If ur a guy who doesn't give it away, but enough to peak her curiousity....
Don't emotionally progesss, but logistically progress.
EXTERNAL FACTORS TO DETERMINE IT:
What will prevent her?
Pact that they go home together.
NY alot easier vs. LA, because girls arrive in the club either by themselves or leave by themselves.
NY so easy to take a cab.
Got to make it as easy as possible to get her home with you.
Make it seem as smooth and natural as possible.
The places being close and know how to get there without hassle.
With guy friends, they don't worry as much. With gf, it is tricker.
A) Build rapport with group
B) Put her away with the group
-How drunk she is.
-How many people see her leave. The more discrete, the better.
-If u need to put her away and have a conversation. Text her friends that she's gonna stay with another friend.
-Ask her if she's working tomorrow?
-Don't waste 4 hours of ur night talking to a girl when she's gotta get up at 6 AM. Came with 10 female friends, and she's not drinking. 1 drink and 8 drinks, give the girl the same excuse to her mind and friends. She can tell her friends and herself.
-Guy friend who play more of a protector: Thats a challenge. Its all in how u treat the other guys. If u come in a very strong frame, the guy's defenses will go up. If you go in wiht a cool, friendly guy. His alarm isn't going off that much, if he starts to act like an idiot in front of u....its too late. -If the guy is genuinely a protector that has no sexual interest, just have build extreme comfort with him...so he can build the torch to u, he'll be relieved. A guy he can trust, so he can meet girls himself.
-If the guy is trying to sleep with her, then u got to turn it around on him. "Wow...that guy is really really into u" and it will click in her mind. Hey, im just being friendly and talking to people
How do you take a girl out from the club?-Gradually building up compliance/Gradually build up the things u do with her. Take her to different places within that venue. Dance Floor, bar,meeting different friends, couch, bounce her to somewhere that isn't that far away and isn't that high investment. "Hey lets get a quick bite to eat/go to this other bar around the corner".
-Don't stand in that same spot for so long. If a girl doesn't like u enough to sit down to a couch with u, there's no way ur gonna take her home.
-She's more attracted to u/respected u cuz u made a move even if she says no at first.
-To actually hook up with a girl, u do need to move this forward.
-A good reason to move someone somewhere other than sex.
-Even if a girl knows deep down ur gonna take her home, a girl wants to come out of the club having Plausible Deniability.
-SEEDING is def a good thing to do, as later when u mention them...its not such a shock. Cuz if she rejects it in the beginning, u'll find out the possibility sooner lol.
-Whatever you say and do to convince, keep it light hearted.
-No need to try to objectively/logistically convince her
When do you do when a girl objects to coming home with you?
When a girl objects it, treat it as a non-issue. Keep on moving her. Just don't even worry about it. Don't treat anything as an issue. The question is: Is she still with you?
How sexual should you get in the club?
HANDJOB ON DANCE FLOOR:on dancefloor, start kino escalating on dance floor. First u want to slow dance, while everyone is fast dancing. She forgets every one. U just slowly move her hands to ur crotch. Then go down in your pants. Fun little gimick. Don't recommend for proper game.
If u want a SNL:
When in the club, be working attraction hard. Build alot of sexual tension. Have a sexual presence. Be a guy that puts sexual seeds..but don't act on em. Kiss her on the lips, don't be the sloppy make out guy either for anything longer than a minute. Be the guy that keeps her at the edge of her seat building that sexual tension. When that tension is high and she hasn't made out with u yet, thats when u logistically escalate. Then when u get home, bam...sexually escalate. "Damn u look so sexy tonight..." etc...
Taking a girl home from a date vs taking a girl home from a club
on Day 2, u don't have to deal with logistics as much. You control logistics. 100% control of her coming to house/etc. Logistics are in your favor. She's away from all her friends. Dates are all comfort and then doing logistical and physical escalation. In a night game, do just enough comfort so she feels safe.But ur game mainly is attraction. Spike her emotions, not logically. Have her having alot of fun.
Girl go make decisions from moment to moment
Can still get all kinds of issues.
Ignore her words and watch her actions!
As long as she's not leaving, its still on
Best thing to say is "Cool"
If you haven't had any good interactions by the end of the night, is the night lost?
See how many girls a girl leaves a night club without a guy?
Look around and see which groups of girls are still standing there kinda checking things out/not really in a rush to leave. Those girls u just look at them, grab ur friend. Go up to them. Make it easy for them. Don't make it a big compliance thing. Make it a small thing. Bounce with them.
Easiest way to have a small compliance to bounce her somewhere else.(Club). Pulling is messy.Its never clean cut.
Monday, November 17, 2008
More Q and A With DonSuave
ME:Hey DonSuave, how do you get through logistics for a college party to end in sex? It just seems like its hell(taking a girl from a club from my assumption doesn't seem as hard), even if she likes u, to get her back to ur place considering the amount of distractions and the fact that their friend is always dead set on bringing them back home with them, even if u befriend the friend.
Like i'll talk with the girl, dance with the girl, kiss with the girl...but then after that...they'll be distracted with something else or something else will happen. Going past this is my biggest sticking point. I know some logistics can't be helped, but is really this difficult? I know its not suppose to be the outcome we always think we're going to get but u know what i mean...
My opinion is as u said for clubs, to bounce...sometimes its hard to bounce somewhere else?
DONSUAVE:
Depends where the party's at.
If it's a house party then bring her to the bathroom.
I've had friends banging chicks in bathrooms and I did it also.
If you just want to fuck you should stop giving yourself headaches with the game. You complicate your life for nothing.
I've said it before.
Just hit the gym get a nice style and be agressive/ suave. REAL SUAVE. If you don't know now you will, by trial and error.
Approach 10 000 chicks every night and eventually you'll find 1 that wants you, that has the guts to defy her friends and go against the group and could care less about logistics.
When a girl REALLY wants you to fuck her she DOESN'T CARE ABOUT LOGISTICS. I've had girls giving me blowjobs right on the street!
So your problem is really target selection and uncertainity.
Target selection:
You don't know which girl is down because you don't have enough experience. When you do, you will be able to tell which 1 is ready for a 1 night and which 1 is not. So the game will be much easier for you. So until you get it APPROACH...APPROACH...APPROACH until you find out
Uncertaininty:
You think about details. Logistics blabla...That's really details. Important details but not so important at this stage. You should focus on working your attraction to the point where you become truly efficient and irresistible. Then you must never let her the time to think. Like after kiss you must isolate immediatly, rapport or physically escalate etc.
If you leave her time to think she will think about it twice you won't get her.
Cuz player's strengh comes from speed.
You should also not bother too much on this forum if you want to become a player.
Also I've never been there but I think this forum might be more what you are looking for
http://forums.projectcovo.com
Like i'll talk with the girl, dance with the girl, kiss with the girl...but then after that...they'll be distracted with something else or something else will happen. Going past this is my biggest sticking point. I know some logistics can't be helped, but is really this difficult? I know its not suppose to be the outcome we always think we're going to get but u know what i mean...
My opinion is as u said for clubs, to bounce...sometimes its hard to bounce somewhere else?
DONSUAVE:
Depends where the party's at.
If it's a house party then bring her to the bathroom.
I've had friends banging chicks in bathrooms and I did it also.
If you just want to fuck you should stop giving yourself headaches with the game. You complicate your life for nothing.
I've said it before.
Just hit the gym get a nice style and be agressive/ suave. REAL SUAVE. If you don't know now you will, by trial and error.
Approach 10 000 chicks every night and eventually you'll find 1 that wants you, that has the guts to defy her friends and go against the group and could care less about logistics.
When a girl REALLY wants you to fuck her she DOESN'T CARE ABOUT LOGISTICS. I've had girls giving me blowjobs right on the street!
So your problem is really target selection and uncertainity.
Target selection:
You don't know which girl is down because you don't have enough experience. When you do, you will be able to tell which 1 is ready for a 1 night and which 1 is not. So the game will be much easier for you. So until you get it APPROACH...APPROACH...APPROACH until you find out
Uncertaininty:
You think about details. Logistics blabla...That's really details. Important details but not so important at this stage. You should focus on working your attraction to the point where you become truly efficient and irresistible. Then you must never let her the time to think. Like after kiss you must isolate immediatly, rapport or physically escalate etc.
If you leave her time to think she will think about it twice you won't get her.
Cuz player's strengh comes from speed.
You should also not bother too much on this forum if you want to become a player.
Also I've never been there but I think this forum might be more what you are looking for
http://forums.projectcovo.com
Sunday, November 16, 2008
More From Van Damme PART II
yea you'll notice when its "Go Time" when the couples are getting "lovey dovey", people are making out around you without caring about social pressure from others, etc. I think they call it "creepy times" or something on bootcamps, read it in the reviews.
1. I think I wouldn't make out that early in 10-15 min, but everyone is different. I think the only reason to makeout would be to be on the safe side and make sure the girl knows what is going to happen if she leaves with me, god forbid she thinks you're just friends leaving together, makeout erases that. instead of getting a makeout, work on keeping constant kino, claw on and off if its really makeoutworthy.
2. I thought the same thing man, like I'd leave and I'd think it was done. It can't be more backwards. The girl will think that you blew HER off because you wanted a way out of the conversation. Thats why you shouldnt make much creepy eye contact when you leave her to talk to others (you can leave her for your friends u dont gotta go straight to others girls).
Tyler talks about how no matter how much a girl likes you, she will refuse to reiniate contact (they are very uptight about this shit, like ur the "guy" she doenst wanna have to do nething), andit seems like she doesn't want to talk again. (social conditioning) The solution is to go back with and get back RIGHT where you left off. Don't make it like you're coming up to her and standing there, waiting for her validation to start laughing and having fun like she was last time. Just have the energy, "Heyyy u guys hows it goin so far" and just watch, they will snap RIGHT BACK into the nice giggly/whatever they were when you first talk to them. Try it you'll see, they truly beleive that you left either because you "ran away" or you don't like them anymore and were being nice and left. Leave absolutley NO room for the "awkwardness eye contact" and stuff that is drawing you the conclusion they want nothing to do with you. They're thinking "well wtf hes the one that left, wtf I am supposed to do when he looks over here again, wave at him???: (breaks eye contact, seems cold w/e)
All in all, don't make it seem like you ejected because you burned out, thats why I personally try to avoid eye contact until I re-initiate because I feel looking at each seriosuly and looking away without saying anything or waving/smiling will make it seem like your whole first ineraction was "fake" and you are moving on to other people. So make it appear genuine that you truly are having fun and like talking to lots of people. O yea, DO NOT value scan when you eject to talk to buddies, that makes it like game over because then she realizes you didn't leave because you wanted to talk to your buddies, but because you pussied out and want to find your "next target".
3. Yea man with more time, I realize its like the main thing and im workin on this shit every weekend too, gettin used to the rhythm of the night. If I fuck up and the girls leave alone, w/e but if they leave with another guy I am SUPER pissed cus what did he do better you know? so I always make sure to know the reason why it went with him /not me and analyze why things went right/wrong.
1. I think I wouldn't make out that early in 10-15 min, but everyone is different. I think the only reason to makeout would be to be on the safe side and make sure the girl knows what is going to happen if she leaves with me, god forbid she thinks you're just friends leaving together, makeout erases that. instead of getting a makeout, work on keeping constant kino, claw on and off if its really makeoutworthy.
2. I thought the same thing man, like I'd leave and I'd think it was done. It can't be more backwards. The girl will think that you blew HER off because you wanted a way out of the conversation. Thats why you shouldnt make much creepy eye contact when you leave her to talk to others (you can leave her for your friends u dont gotta go straight to others girls).
Tyler talks about how no matter how much a girl likes you, she will refuse to reiniate contact (they are very uptight about this shit, like ur the "guy" she doenst wanna have to do nething), andit seems like she doesn't want to talk again. (social conditioning) The solution is to go back with and get back RIGHT where you left off. Don't make it like you're coming up to her and standing there, waiting for her validation to start laughing and having fun like she was last time. Just have the energy, "Heyyy u guys hows it goin so far" and just watch, they will snap RIGHT BACK into the nice giggly/whatever they were when you first talk to them. Try it you'll see, they truly beleive that you left either because you "ran away" or you don't like them anymore and were being nice and left. Leave absolutley NO room for the "awkwardness eye contact" and stuff that is drawing you the conclusion they want nothing to do with you. They're thinking "well wtf hes the one that left, wtf I am supposed to do when he looks over here again, wave at him???: (breaks eye contact, seems cold w/e)
All in all, don't make it seem like you ejected because you burned out, thats why I personally try to avoid eye contact until I re-initiate because I feel looking at each seriosuly and looking away without saying anything or waving/smiling will make it seem like your whole first ineraction was "fake" and you are moving on to other people. So make it appear genuine that you truly are having fun and like talking to lots of people. O yea, DO NOT value scan when you eject to talk to buddies, that makes it like game over because then she realizes you didn't leave because you wanted to talk to your buddies, but because you pussied out and want to find your "next target".
3. Yea man with more time, I realize its like the main thing and im workin on this shit every weekend too, gettin used to the rhythm of the night. If I fuck up and the girls leave alone, w/e but if they leave with another guy I am SUPER pissed cus what did he do better you know? so I always make sure to know the reason why it went with him /not me and analyze why things went right/wrong.
More from Van Damme PART I
(beforehand, this is my experience in my first quarter of college, I dunno how other parties are with you, here a lot of them are free walkins with a lot of people)
Dude, 30 minutes of talking? thats a LOT, you got the kiss too? the "game" aspect should be in the bag man, I found that the less you talk the better. Look at all the chodes around you leaving with hot girls, all of this is like 90% logistics, if they see that you're a normal guy who they know is confident enough to approach anyone at that party, the game aspect is done with.
Like girls want it to feel "right" and "natural" with the guy, which in other words means the logistics go smoothly (they're not screening like crazy, girls hook up with LOTS of guys, the easier it is for her to go somewhere else with you, o well she chose you for the night and you're good)
So I was kinda buzzed last night, I'll be a little clearer on the 10-2 thing
1. The optimum time (I'll call it Go Time) is around 30 minutes before everyone leaves. Everyone has a little alcohol, and it is possible to just show up at the party at this time, find the girls that aren't talking to any guys and are value scanning/wondering why the fuck theres no chodes talking to them this late at night, and try to leave with them. This is the time that you go for leaving with them, and do all that shit. EVERYTHING goes down to this time window at the end of the night, where logistics have to go right and every girl is happy with her guy, cus if one girl isnt happy, well they might be kinda drunk and one tug of the arm and they are going home alone.
2. Now all the time before this (from the beginning of the party to now) where everyone is getting settled in, I'll call (Pre Time).
(im making these words up btw http://www.flawlessnaturalvideoblog.com/ watch the video on rhythm 10-2, it is so important and applicable)
The point here is to make yourself as much socially proofed, talking to a lot of people, looking as social as possible. Since girls notice this stuff at this time, later on during Go Time girls are too drunk or are so in the moment they do not notice the high value guys this late).
So just talking like a stupid normal conversation without even appearing to be hitting on them (its ok you can leave the escalating for Go Time, this time is just to look social and expose yourself to the girls)
All in all, it is to make yourself stand out in the girl's minds for when its Go Time at the end of the party.
Because a girl at the end of the night will rather leave with a guy that she was talking to sober early in the evening and made the mental switch thats hes a good guy shed fuck, then try to make a decision on fuckin a guy when she has drank and its the end of the night.
The interaction DOESNT go from start to finish nonstop, unless you do it dueing Go Time and are trying to get a really quick pull which is unreliable and is last resort.
You talk for a bit, say you'll talk to them later you gotta go to your friends, keep an eye out for other guys, to go in and cut them out w/e, then when its Go Time, those girls will be looking for the guy to leave with, and they will want you rather than the guy she hasnt seen before trying to pick her up in 5 minutes.
Like, the "pretime" conversation should be so casual, that you can easily drop in and out, like you go talk to your friends....and then 15 minutes later all you ahve to do is go "hey whatsup!" and they're like "oh hey" and you talk like you're old friends. I go in and reinitiate the chat when theres a guy getting all creepy for example.
man, talking to a girl for 30 minutes straight??? Getting a MAKEOUT???(or kiss w/e) Hell no man thats hard work, if you find the convo going stale get out of there and reiniate later (I guess the term is, do not overescalate so fast in the beginning of the night, keep it chill till it's go time, pretime you're just socialising and having fun with all your friends)
Then go time is when you make sure every girl has a buddy of yours, this is the window where you make the logistics go smoothly, blow out any faggots taht try to ruin your set with the girls, and all that stuff to leave. They have to leave sooner or later, just make sure its YOU thats the one leaving with them.
This will all depend on how they saw you in Pretime, because girls dont judge value that well when they are drunk so they will be going into their heads to remeber who were the cool guys that they had a great conversation with in the very beginning of the night. Oh and girls KNOW that guys have fake confidence from alcohol and are all trying to pull during Go Time, so thats why they are more apt towards the guys they have spoken to very early in the night
I wrote a lot, but so to RECAP
A.Go time is when you go and make things happen however you can (WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY/LOGISTICS $$$). You can get a quick pull here even if u just got there, for me this is from 11:45-12:15
B. Pre-time not "required", but is when you "prime" the girls and leave yourself on their minds, to make it as easy as possible to pull.
(you show what a cool guy you are, bouncin in and out of sets, etc.) for me this is like 9:30 to 11:30, thats plenty of time to talk to as many people asyou want
The girls would rather stay on the safe side and go leave with the guys they judged to be sexworthy when sober, and trust them to pull them at the end of the night.
Oh and no, you woul'nt have a "party" at your place, have some drinks there (even though they won't be used most likey, pop in a movie, have each guy isolate to different rooms "i gotta show you somthing" or "i wanna talk to you") and take them there. Be like "yea me and my buddies are gonna chill and drink at my place " that kind of vibe ,(u can call it an after party who cares)
This is what I've seen so far make sure u watch that flawless natural video its money for college parties, this is basically what ive made of the parties at my school so far, tried to explain it the best i could, I gotta write this shit out neway to internalize it well myself and keep going over it.
Dude, 30 minutes of talking? thats a LOT, you got the kiss too? the "game" aspect should be in the bag man, I found that the less you talk the better. Look at all the chodes around you leaving with hot girls, all of this is like 90% logistics, if they see that you're a normal guy who they know is confident enough to approach anyone at that party, the game aspect is done with.
Like girls want it to feel "right" and "natural" with the guy, which in other words means the logistics go smoothly (they're not screening like crazy, girls hook up with LOTS of guys, the easier it is for her to go somewhere else with you, o well she chose you for the night and you're good)
So I was kinda buzzed last night, I'll be a little clearer on the 10-2 thing
1. The optimum time (I'll call it Go Time) is around 30 minutes before everyone leaves. Everyone has a little alcohol, and it is possible to just show up at the party at this time, find the girls that aren't talking to any guys and are value scanning/wondering why the fuck theres no chodes talking to them this late at night, and try to leave with them. This is the time that you go for leaving with them, and do all that shit. EVERYTHING goes down to this time window at the end of the night, where logistics have to go right and every girl is happy with her guy, cus if one girl isnt happy, well they might be kinda drunk and one tug of the arm and they are going home alone.
2. Now all the time before this (from the beginning of the party to now) where everyone is getting settled in, I'll call (Pre Time).
(im making these words up btw http://www.flawlessnaturalvideoblog.com/ watch the video on rhythm 10-2, it is so important and applicable)
The point here is to make yourself as much socially proofed, talking to a lot of people, looking as social as possible. Since girls notice this stuff at this time, later on during Go Time girls are too drunk or are so in the moment they do not notice the high value guys this late).
So just talking like a stupid normal conversation without even appearing to be hitting on them (its ok you can leave the escalating for Go Time, this time is just to look social and expose yourself to the girls)
All in all, it is to make yourself stand out in the girl's minds for when its Go Time at the end of the party.
Because a girl at the end of the night will rather leave with a guy that she was talking to sober early in the evening and made the mental switch thats hes a good guy shed fuck, then try to make a decision on fuckin a guy when she has drank and its the end of the night.
The interaction DOESNT go from start to finish nonstop, unless you do it dueing Go Time and are trying to get a really quick pull which is unreliable and is last resort.
You talk for a bit, say you'll talk to them later you gotta go to your friends, keep an eye out for other guys, to go in and cut them out w/e, then when its Go Time, those girls will be looking for the guy to leave with, and they will want you rather than the guy she hasnt seen before trying to pick her up in 5 minutes.
Like, the "pretime" conversation should be so casual, that you can easily drop in and out, like you go talk to your friends....and then 15 minutes later all you ahve to do is go "hey whatsup!" and they're like "oh hey" and you talk like you're old friends. I go in and reinitiate the chat when theres a guy getting all creepy for example.
man, talking to a girl for 30 minutes straight??? Getting a MAKEOUT???(or kiss w/e) Hell no man thats hard work, if you find the convo going stale get out of there and reiniate later (I guess the term is, do not overescalate so fast in the beginning of the night, keep it chill till it's go time, pretime you're just socialising and having fun with all your friends)
Then go time is when you make sure every girl has a buddy of yours, this is the window where you make the logistics go smoothly, blow out any faggots taht try to ruin your set with the girls, and all that stuff to leave. They have to leave sooner or later, just make sure its YOU thats the one leaving with them.
This will all depend on how they saw you in Pretime, because girls dont judge value that well when they are drunk so they will be going into their heads to remeber who were the cool guys that they had a great conversation with in the very beginning of the night. Oh and girls KNOW that guys have fake confidence from alcohol and are all trying to pull during Go Time, so thats why they are more apt towards the guys they have spoken to very early in the night
I wrote a lot, but so to RECAP
A.Go time is when you go and make things happen however you can (WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY/LOGISTICS $$$). You can get a quick pull here even if u just got there, for me this is from 11:45-12:15
B. Pre-time not "required", but is when you "prime" the girls and leave yourself on their minds, to make it as easy as possible to pull.
(you show what a cool guy you are, bouncin in and out of sets, etc.) for me this is like 9:30 to 11:30, thats plenty of time to talk to as many people asyou want
The girls would rather stay on the safe side and go leave with the guys they judged to be sexworthy when sober, and trust them to pull them at the end of the night.
Oh and no, you woul'nt have a "party" at your place, have some drinks there (even though they won't be used most likey, pop in a movie, have each guy isolate to different rooms "i gotta show you somthing" or "i wanna talk to you") and take them there. Be like "yea me and my buddies are gonna chill and drink at my place " that kind of vibe ,(u can call it an after party who cares)
This is what I've seen so far make sure u watch that flawless natural video its money for college parties, this is basically what ive made of the parties at my school so far, tried to explain it the best i could, I gotta write this shit out neway to internalize it well myself and keep going over it.
Q & A About Logistics
Logistics to getting a girl to sex from a college party
Hey guys, it seems at parties, i do fine initially, talk to the girl, dance with her, then kiss....but then anything after just falls flat...that it seems so hard to just leave with her at the end of the night, it seems the area of logistics kick my ass. It seems like their so many obstacles to prevent u from leaving with the girl, even if u befriend her friend...from her friend wanting her to leave with her...not alone, to getting distracted with drama, to talking to the other people who own the house, etc.
I know im improving constantly, but from my impression...it would seem easier to take a girl back home from a club than a party. Would the girl at a college party HAVE TO BE VERY DRUNK for this to happen? Any advice would really help me out. I know im getting closer?
Van Damme From RSDNation Replies
dude your situation is NOT specific to college parties, that's how it always is. But me and my buddies work the college parties, so we've realized-
you need another guy on the same page as you, if its 3 girls and its only you 2, you better get a 3rd guy in there quick. (Ozzie transformations, just pull a guy in there say whatsup, and he'll stay, or just take a guy on the side and tell him whatsup and he'll most likely LOVE to help you and get with the 3rd girl)
The easiest way is to go to another party (keyword *PARTY*(sell the party, "this place SUX lets go to XXXXX yeaa eveyone lets goo awsome!") Trying to go straight home is a bit harder...but sell the home area as an afterparty, my buddy got an apartment so I dont have to use the dorms. Girls LOVE afterparties. Lemme tell you, the easiest way to pull girls from a party is to have a female freind talk it up and have HER ask the girls you're with.
Dude we fuckin took a group of 5 girls we just met within 2 minutes to agree with us to come, JUST BECAUSE one of my buddies GFs told them they should come. (and again dont bother with all this if you dont have an after paty spot where you could do bang bang, im just saying that if u have the luxury of having one like we did that night)
You'll get there man, watch how other guys leave with girls. This logistics stuff is ALL about the 10-2 rhythm, you can open a convo early on, then (well for me) around 12:15 is when you strike, and leave with them.
Like you can have a good interaction early in the night, then later on they will go to you rather than the other guys trying to get them at that window of time.
But you gotta figure out your own logistics, for example at my university we have parties like across the street walking distance from each other.
ONCE you move them to another party, you're in the clear because those ppl at the new party think ur together, theres less friends of them to cockblock, etc.
But dude nothing will ever go down if you dont have each guy with each girl, I say look for a player type of guy at the parties, or just one that is hitting on a lot of girls/opening sets left and right, just SOMEONE who is one the same page as you (get laid and social intuition/seeing the matrix, dont bring up PU shit since theyre naturals and they know wtf logistics are, we just put a fancy name to this stuff in the community)
Talk up where you're going like you're excited and keep fighting to leave with them, if another guy is gonig for that shit keep going, he'll give up when he realizes it'll be a lot easier to go for another girl since you keep staying on that shit.
Good luck and I hope you get consistent at getting girls from college parties, I know I'm workin on it like crazy to get consistent with it too.
ps. find a shitty party and then the girls will go to another party more, like me and my buddy went to a Latino/black party and found like pretty much the only 2 white girls there and left with them in only like 20 min or less (damn drunk time is weird), because they were looking for hot white guys you know..., kind of like how guys try to PU girls in gay bars, well no shit if you're straight, its gonna go better
And dont be afraid to BS a little, we just went like "PARTY AT THE ****APARTMENTS", and when we got there it was just my buddies place and he just popped in a movie. If they leave with you, that late, you gotta escalate on the way cus they know whatsup when they leave with you. So its ok to BS a party, they most likely wont care because a party is basically a place with alcohol, which counts. ok i wrote a shitload make what u can of it peace lol
Hey guys, it seems at parties, i do fine initially, talk to the girl, dance with her, then kiss....but then anything after just falls flat...that it seems so hard to just leave with her at the end of the night, it seems the area of logistics kick my ass. It seems like their so many obstacles to prevent u from leaving with the girl, even if u befriend her friend...from her friend wanting her to leave with her...not alone, to getting distracted with drama, to talking to the other people who own the house, etc.
I know im improving constantly, but from my impression...it would seem easier to take a girl back home from a club than a party. Would the girl at a college party HAVE TO BE VERY DRUNK for this to happen? Any advice would really help me out. I know im getting closer?
Van Damme From RSDNation Replies
dude your situation is NOT specific to college parties, that's how it always is. But me and my buddies work the college parties, so we've realized-
you need another guy on the same page as you, if its 3 girls and its only you 2, you better get a 3rd guy in there quick. (Ozzie transformations, just pull a guy in there say whatsup, and he'll stay, or just take a guy on the side and tell him whatsup and he'll most likely LOVE to help you and get with the 3rd girl)
The easiest way is to go to another party (keyword *PARTY*(sell the party, "this place SUX lets go to XXXXX yeaa eveyone lets goo awsome!") Trying to go straight home is a bit harder...but sell the home area as an afterparty, my buddy got an apartment so I dont have to use the dorms. Girls LOVE afterparties. Lemme tell you, the easiest way to pull girls from a party is to have a female freind talk it up and have HER ask the girls you're with.
Dude we fuckin took a group of 5 girls we just met within 2 minutes to agree with us to come, JUST BECAUSE one of my buddies GFs told them they should come. (and again dont bother with all this if you dont have an after paty spot where you could do bang bang, im just saying that if u have the luxury of having one like we did that night)
You'll get there man, watch how other guys leave with girls. This logistics stuff is ALL about the 10-2 rhythm, you can open a convo early on, then (well for me) around 12:15 is when you strike, and leave with them.
Like you can have a good interaction early in the night, then later on they will go to you rather than the other guys trying to get them at that window of time.
But you gotta figure out your own logistics, for example at my university we have parties like across the street walking distance from each other.
ONCE you move them to another party, you're in the clear because those ppl at the new party think ur together, theres less friends of them to cockblock, etc.
But dude nothing will ever go down if you dont have each guy with each girl, I say look for a player type of guy at the parties, or just one that is hitting on a lot of girls/opening sets left and right, just SOMEONE who is one the same page as you (get laid and social intuition/seeing the matrix, dont bring up PU shit since theyre naturals and they know wtf logistics are, we just put a fancy name to this stuff in the community)
Talk up where you're going like you're excited and keep fighting to leave with them, if another guy is gonig for that shit keep going, he'll give up when he realizes it'll be a lot easier to go for another girl since you keep staying on that shit.
Good luck and I hope you get consistent at getting girls from college parties, I know I'm workin on it like crazy to get consistent with it too.
ps. find a shitty party and then the girls will go to another party more, like me and my buddy went to a Latino/black party and found like pretty much the only 2 white girls there and left with them in only like 20 min or less (damn drunk time is weird), because they were looking for hot white guys you know..., kind of like how guys try to PU girls in gay bars, well no shit if you're straight, its gonna go better
And dont be afraid to BS a little, we just went like "PARTY AT THE ****APARTMENTS", and when we got there it was just my buddies place and he just popped in a movie. If they leave with you, that late, you gotta escalate on the way cus they know whatsup when they leave with you. So its ok to BS a party, they most likely wont care because a party is basically a place with alcohol, which counts. ok i wrote a shitload make what u can of it peace lol
Sunday, November 9, 2008
More Q & A From DonSuave
I make my approach. She's not receptive, at least not verbally. I see lots of guy turning around her. Most guys would have been thrown off at the 1rst " iod" she gave me but I stay in there. I stay in there because I know I will get the chicks. I know even if she have 20 guys surrounding her they can't game her and fuck her like I can. So she talks to 2 or 3 guys. She tells me stuff ' he''s just a friend ' without me asking for explanaitions.
I give her game in between. I'm patient for now lol At one point I grab her by the arm and tell her ' I don't like you talking to too many guys."
I pull her gently give her intense eye contact and give her some game. She's a waitress at another rich nightclub.
She keeps talking to me like I am some client. I am firm and make her understand that I don't give a fuck about where she works but give a fuck about her. She gave me her # right at that moment.
Now my frame is I can get her if I want to, I don't care what's on her mind, I care about what's in mine and I affect her with my thoughts. I scan her the instant I see her and I calibrate my approach. Depending on how she reacts I will be sweet or rough or whatever. It all depends.
It's okay if some guys have 1 way of gaming I just don't believe it's the most effective way. For me the most effective is being natural, adaptable and sudden with your moves, flow. Nothing prepared just you being quick and smart.
This way I can game many women, I have no limits
I give her game in between. I'm patient for now lol At one point I grab her by the arm and tell her ' I don't like you talking to too many guys."
I pull her gently give her intense eye contact and give her some game. She's a waitress at another rich nightclub.
She keeps talking to me like I am some client. I am firm and make her understand that I don't give a fuck about where she works but give a fuck about her. She gave me her # right at that moment.
Now my frame is I can get her if I want to, I don't care what's on her mind, I care about what's in mine and I affect her with my thoughts. I scan her the instant I see her and I calibrate my approach. Depending on how she reacts I will be sweet or rough or whatever. It all depends.
It's okay if some guys have 1 way of gaming I just don't believe it's the most effective way. For me the most effective is being natural, adaptable and sudden with your moves, flow. Nothing prepared just you being quick and smart.
This way I can game many women, I have no limits
Friday, November 7, 2008
Q&A: DonSuave
Question 1: How do you handle logistics for taking a girl home from a club after the kiss? It seems that after i kiss a girl, nothing develops after. Things die down. How can i keep things going till we leave together? Cuz i know eventually, she'll want to return to her friends to check on them, but i fear if i do that....then ASD will trigger. I would do dancing but some girls don't want to dance. It seems like when things start out good, i lose energy/steam to keep things going.
Since I have sex on a regular basis, my mentallity when I go out is not to get a girl and bring her home. If I do then it's all good but if I don't it's not the end of the world. I go for quality.
That being said, If I want a 1NS, I know which types of girls to go for. There's something about them I can smell and I know " she is the type " that will settle for 1NS. Not that you can't 1NS all women at some time and some place but some of them are built for 1NS.
2ND PROBLEM----------------------------
Now second problem you have is energy goes down when you kiss a girl which means you have game until there then you don't know how to escalate. Usually if you date girls your age, you will have to do 2 isolations.
1rst one, you do the kiss. Then at some point she will probably get nervous and want to go back to her friends. That's fine.
You should say " Yeah let's go back and see what everybody's doing!"
When you go back you must be confident. Alpha. Show everybody your a nice, social guy. Make them like you and show the girl you like her also. But don't overdo it. If she really likes you she might kiss you in front of her friends. If not, spend some time there then proceed to 2nd isolation.
That's where the " NEGOCIATOR"S PHASE " begin. You start asking questions.
" Where you live? Who did you came with? blabla"
Then you start seing if it's logistically and logically possible for you to fuck her that night. If you can you push it not fuck it. Take her # and date her some other time.
Now a good trick would be to make a BOUNCE. Take her to some club nextdoor. If she comes with you, you have a 70% chance of fucking her that night. Just take your time. Don't touch her pussy or anything. Be patient. If you know you will fuck her you don't have to do all that stupid stuff.
Now this is all theory.
Once I was walking in a club and I held eye contact with a chick that was passing by, i kissed her, held her hand, then I smiled and let her go and didn't follow up with a chat...lol Took me 3 seconds, no opener or anything
Another time I hit the dancefloor with a chick we didn't talk at all for 10-15 min, we went to the bathroom and she gave me a blowjob
So really, there are no definite answers in PU you have to be incredibily fast and adaptable. The mean justify the end...
Question 2: How subtle should one be in terms of talking about sex at night game? For these girl, who seem socially conditioned the most....wouldn't that trigger ASD? But i also heard its a good idea.
Thing is you don't have to talk about sex. Some things in life are implied. Let sex be one of those things. Just have a strong sexual aura. That's it. Girls pick it up and when they do and you act alpha and strong they want your balls.
Question 3a: When dealing with groups, is it always 100% necessary to isolate.
Not 100% of the time. 99% of time yes. If I go for a 2set and want a 3some then no i won't isolate but other then that yes you ABSOLUTELY needs to.
Question 3b: What if the girl doesn't want to leave her friends, but is still pretty attracted to u(unless she'll accept the isolation if she is attracted)? Is it worth to stick in their and continue gaming, regardless if she wants to be isolated or not? I tend to usually always go for the isolation within a few minutes but then stop gaming her after i tried 3 or 4 times to isolate and she doesn't want to.
That's what you're supposed to do. You may have timing problems. You may not know WHEN and HOW to isolate.
There is no precise WHEN excpet when you have good calibration and you know it's on. Other then that when she says no, give her more game then try later. I never take no as an answer. I can be rude to a woman when she acts like a princess. Maybe you're too nice with them
Question 4: The Mother Hen. Alright suppose the mother hen of the group tells u that she's protector, wat is ur strategy to typically befriend her?
My strategy would be to flirt with her too, keep a friendly vibe, and tell her that i give her respect for looking out for her friend, but then give attention back to the girl im gaming. Is that how you would do it?
Fuck that. 1rst of, your target must like you, if not your fucked. So if she likes you then any cockblock doesn't exist. I would hug my target and be friendly to the " mother hen ( lol) " but tell her hey this is MY chick now.
I can also completly ignore her if she doesn't have a strong influence on her OR if she's disrespectful.
That being said I rarely get cockblock because the girls I approach likely more often then dislike me so there's no reason to cockblock me.
Only begginners get REALLY cockblocked...
My mentality is my frame is SO STRONG, NOTHING AFFECTS ME. So I don't care about guys looking at me trying to get my attention, beef, cockblocks etc.
Thank You For Your Tips, DonSuave!
Since I have sex on a regular basis, my mentallity when I go out is not to get a girl and bring her home. If I do then it's all good but if I don't it's not the end of the world. I go for quality.
That being said, If I want a 1NS, I know which types of girls to go for. There's something about them I can smell and I know " she is the type " that will settle for 1NS. Not that you can't 1NS all women at some time and some place but some of them are built for 1NS.
2ND PROBLEM----------------------------
Now second problem you have is energy goes down when you kiss a girl which means you have game until there then you don't know how to escalate. Usually if you date girls your age, you will have to do 2 isolations.
1rst one, you do the kiss. Then at some point she will probably get nervous and want to go back to her friends. That's fine.
You should say " Yeah let's go back and see what everybody's doing!"
When you go back you must be confident. Alpha. Show everybody your a nice, social guy. Make them like you and show the girl you like her also. But don't overdo it. If she really likes you she might kiss you in front of her friends. If not, spend some time there then proceed to 2nd isolation.
That's where the " NEGOCIATOR"S PHASE " begin. You start asking questions.
" Where you live? Who did you came with? blabla"
Then you start seing if it's logistically and logically possible for you to fuck her that night. If you can you push it not fuck it. Take her # and date her some other time.
Now a good trick would be to make a BOUNCE. Take her to some club nextdoor. If she comes with you, you have a 70% chance of fucking her that night. Just take your time. Don't touch her pussy or anything. Be patient. If you know you will fuck her you don't have to do all that stupid stuff.
Now this is all theory.
Once I was walking in a club and I held eye contact with a chick that was passing by, i kissed her, held her hand, then I smiled and let her go and didn't follow up with a chat...lol Took me 3 seconds, no opener or anything
Another time I hit the dancefloor with a chick we didn't talk at all for 10-15 min, we went to the bathroom and she gave me a blowjob
So really, there are no definite answers in PU you have to be incredibily fast and adaptable. The mean justify the end...
Question 2: How subtle should one be in terms of talking about sex at night game? For these girl, who seem socially conditioned the most....wouldn't that trigger ASD? But i also heard its a good idea.
Thing is you don't have to talk about sex. Some things in life are implied. Let sex be one of those things. Just have a strong sexual aura. That's it. Girls pick it up and when they do and you act alpha and strong they want your balls.
Question 3a: When dealing with groups, is it always 100% necessary to isolate.
Not 100% of the time. 99% of time yes. If I go for a 2set and want a 3some then no i won't isolate but other then that yes you ABSOLUTELY needs to.
Question 3b: What if the girl doesn't want to leave her friends, but is still pretty attracted to u(unless she'll accept the isolation if she is attracted)? Is it worth to stick in their and continue gaming, regardless if she wants to be isolated or not? I tend to usually always go for the isolation within a few minutes but then stop gaming her after i tried 3 or 4 times to isolate and she doesn't want to.
That's what you're supposed to do. You may have timing problems. You may not know WHEN and HOW to isolate.
There is no precise WHEN excpet when you have good calibration and you know it's on. Other then that when she says no, give her more game then try later. I never take no as an answer. I can be rude to a woman when she acts like a princess. Maybe you're too nice with them
Question 4: The Mother Hen. Alright suppose the mother hen of the group tells u that she's protector, wat is ur strategy to typically befriend her?
My strategy would be to flirt with her too, keep a friendly vibe, and tell her that i give her respect for looking out for her friend, but then give attention back to the girl im gaming. Is that how you would do it?
Fuck that. 1rst of, your target must like you, if not your fucked. So if she likes you then any cockblock doesn't exist. I would hug my target and be friendly to the " mother hen ( lol) " but tell her hey this is MY chick now.
I can also completly ignore her if she doesn't have a strong influence on her OR if she's disrespectful.
That being said I rarely get cockblock because the girls I approach likely more often then dislike me so there's no reason to cockblock me.
Only begginners get REALLY cockblocked...
My mentality is my frame is SO STRONG, NOTHING AFFECTS ME. So I don't care about guys looking at me trying to get my attention, beef, cockblocks etc.
Thank You For Your Tips, DonSuave!
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