6/8: Brad P Seminar and Tatoo on K Street

Brad P seminar. Screen sexually. Went to tatoo. Blonde black girl....good shit. At the end of the night, her brunette friend was just sitting there. She mentioned Fly lounge or home, I should've bounced but tried to have her stay. DO NOT CONVINCE HER TO STAY. Girl with glasses...#2 girl. Isolated her but wasn't all the way hooked. Latina girls...paul didn't do his job. BFocus on gaming them both instead. Expressed disappointment...good! she opened more. Her friend was single but didn't invest much. Had it to sexual screen. Not investing much. final girl isolated her she was alright looking. She was feeling sexual but wasn't that hooked. Gave up too fast when back to friends. Befriended guy...went back to her..she went back to friend. Let her go...she is only for practice.

Limiting Beliefs and Things to Work on in field:

1) Get fustrated when a girl doesn't comply
2) I fear if a girl isn't going to isolate or comply with small stuff, that I move on.
3) for some girls, i just want to get further with them and not caring if they do or not.
4) some girls i'm not in the moment
5) When frustrated, i try to convince them to stay
6) I've been trying to diffuse objections too much.
7) Going for girls who i feel that I settle for having sex with.
8) I feel that closing is too hard and that it'll be an endless cycle and am impatient. I keep comparing to how long its taken me to where then I feel a lack of confidence in the ability to close eventho i'm working toward it and feel its possible.
9) Relying on wings too much.
10) Seed to meetup more. Some sets are impossible to close, just get the number and hit her up later in the night.
11) Too worried about the pull or progress. Just one night. Back at TerminateHer's coaching...its about working on getting to that point. The past does not matter. Where are you at right now? Whathisface got 2 SNls...its not like you could not do it.
12) Don't have the faith. You can get SNLs. Don't compare the past, you know what to do now. Its now time to fix your mistakes. You can do it. Its in your ability. Your improving constantly. Part of me feels that i got to endlessly keep getting to that poiint but right now you can pull it off. Your ready right now, its just finding the girl who is ready to go with you.

Screening but not going for the best ones of the night.



**Things i'm doing better.

1) Screening more.
2) Researching more venue logistics
3) Noticing which girls seem more looking for something.
4) Starting to frame things more sexual
(more coming soon)


30 Days of getting more in tune with the mentality of a closer. Being motivated that you will FIND that girl to leave with who you fancy. Tonight was good that you decided to not give up that set. You had motivation. Thats the motivation to keep for the woman you want home. For obstacles, deal with them! If you lust her like crazy, be firm and keep going.

Same Night Sex Pages

As I'm typing this way past my best time, since I got to wake up at 7:45 tomorrow...

Page 33 with Information Gathering i'm working on

Page 44 with the 3 levels of compliance. I've been focusing on that too.

Page 50 hit home with me. The frame i have been taking it in is that its to get to the further step, rather than be in the moment with her...then when it feels natural for you, then proceed. BUT, here's the thing....don't get lazy and hold back. When you feel its time for you, do it...but other than that...don't feel you have to be in robot mode :). But also that page, emphasizing the "Right Now" thing, sure it feels corny as hell but still right something down anyways.

Page 53 is something to work on, sexual frames.

Page 55 The escalating Sexually chapter, with the 3 page essay...i'll do that tomorrow night.

What's his face is right, JSC's friend who had the brazilian woman who looked like Monique....in order to get with the hottest girls, go where they are at.

Page 69 is the chapter i need to read :)

6/5: Adams Morgan

Alright, tonight I went to Adams Morgan and decided to do the Reef first. The place has good potential. I need to also check out the first floor. But I first scanned for the women who looked like they wanted something. First was the blonde that was looking around. Then I saw a 2 set that NewBalance wasn't feeling. I talked to the blonde but it was too late. I then proceed to game this older woman but her compliance was too low so i proceeded to next her:

THOUGHTS: I'm wondering if I dismissed things too soon. But after a bit, i decided to move on. The older woman was by herself but from the vibe she gave out, I don't think she was looking to get fucked that night.

I then proceed to game this brunette woman who was late 20's with her blonde friend. The brunette seemed to be hooked. I improved here with using Vince Kelvin's stuff. I mentioned a sexual story and sexual seeded and found logistics. She didn't deny she has had crazy sex stories in the past. Not too bad for a first time. She didn't want to isolate which was ok. 60 years of challenge mentions the Hand Caress makes things overt and at times where the girl doesn't want to. Was she looking for something for the night? Its hard to say, I'm not that sure. One thing from the night before I saw that Sonic did was, he'll stick in there for a bit and then proceed to make the move when she's that much more comfortable. I have to say its been effective for him and he seems to do well with that.

As i was about to leave, i spot this girl by herself with another glass. At first, she's acting guarded...but as I persist...I can feel her relaxing. This girl i can feel what she was feeling, it was weird. Then the guy she was with came. I didn't care to where I keep going with it. I decided to cut things off only because right now, i don't care to pursue further with those things. But in the future, why not.

I then proceed to notice as I spot a girl quick kill is meeting up with, her and her friend decided to do Tom Tom. But she wasn't wanting to twirl, so i take that as i lose interest with that. To where then i go for other girls instead. But before that, as I'm walking, I notice this big tit, black haired girl who gave me e/c, i smiled and from her vibe...it seemed like she was looking for something. Just standing there. I could've ditched them and gamed her but didn't think of it at the time. I could've told the girls that i'll meet them there.

At Tom Tom's and Spagetti Garden, wasn't having much of a good time there and felt disappointed by night's end BUT overall...it wasn't too bad. I still have faith in Adams Morgan and will proceed to get better at this SNL thing. Reading more of Vince Kelvin's book and his stuff is improving my game like crazy.

Remember, 12AM is prime time but 2AM is perfect to try to spot girls who are looking for something. Next time, try to see which girls at 2AM look bored out of their mind and when you see it...go STRAIGHT to them. I got tired early on. But I will go there again Next Saturday. I'm going to try District next and Madams Organ. More of those places. I will also try Local 16 as well coming up this month. Dupont is for Weekdays and Adams Morgan is for every saturday for now on. I'm also going to figure out parking.

Next Friday I'm going to go to Fells Point. See if Quincy wants to go.


All in All

+Doing more seeding, afew girls said they were going to other bars...which is a better answer than home
+Do more sexual scenarios, more sexual screening
+Finding out more of logistics, most of these girls live near the bars. So they are good in terms of logistics
-For some sets, i might need to give the girl more of a chance rather than assume she's just not interested. But time is money and some women i dont want to waste too much time with.

6/4 Speed Dating and Black Finn

Went to speed dating with Quick Kill and honestly it was pretty good. Quite a few good looking women and they outnumbered the men finally. Number closed a hot persian girl. There was this one asian girl with glasses. I wasn't really that into her BUT she was fun. I should've given her a chance and number closed her.

After, I went to Black Finn to host the meetup. Honestly, i didn't like that place. Too many big groups. Dark Brunette who was looking over at Quick kill and me(Sonic made out with her) was looking for something I bet. After that, it was Sign of the Whale. Not much went on here either. I fell asleep in the car and woke up at 5AM lol.

Texted the persian girl and she seems down to meet up and talk about pua stuff. We'll see how things go lol.

6/3 Vince Kelvin and ESL

First Attended the Vince Kelvin Seminar. About 38 guys listening in to Vince Kelvin who brought his wife. She was quite attractive I must say. Anyhow it was worth attending and I found an answer...when she objects or resists the idea, flip it back at her. For example, if she's concerned for her friends being there...you flip the script on her like "I know right? You need to go...before things get crazy" and then proceed to keep going further" or "You know what, lets go back to them...."

Proceeded to write some notes that i will write down here.

Also finally got my copy of the Same Night Seduction paperback. After reading it, it definitely went into a variety of ways to keep things sexual.

Vince Kelvin Notes(6/2/10)


Introduction:
#1 biggest issue men have are going from proactive, back to reactive/
#2 biggest issue is too many guys feel its good approach versus bad approach. The right mindset is realize that these things happen and you play with it all that you encounter.

Utilization: Objections
Most women are going to be in a bipolar place, ambivalence.

What is the Key to Attraction?

Be the man that can sustain it. Attraction will sometimes dip.

• Objections:
Situation: Protective Friends
Response: “Finally, somebody to rescue me from this crazy girl”

Situation: I have to leave early tomorrow.
Response: “How late are you? Let me help you get to the airport as soon as possible!”

• Shit Tests:
Situation: Do you always pickup girls in the subway?
Response: “Of course, that’s what I always do.”

• Silence:
Situation: ……
Response: I’m sorry if you don’t speak English and then walk away.

Give them a way back in that’s easy. After she grabs you back, you tell her
• “You didn’t talk to me the first time”
• “OMG, you have mastery over silence!”
• “Shhh…don’t spoil it….keep it the silence!” if she pulls away, then she says “We’re going to have to leave it…”

• Be sure not to stack these objection responses too much.


KEY TO SUCCESS 1: “Every single woman in that phonebook, had one thing in common at first, they all said no to start with.”

KEY TO SUCCESS 2: “The secret to getting quite a lot of success is to be able to stay with that resistance she gives”

KEY TO SUCCESS 3: Realize the mindset of some women have been after sex, “You know what, the reason I slept with you is because you didn’t get upset with my objections or resistance”

KEY TO SUCCESS 4: Let go of your attachment and have utilization



• 4 Archetypes of the Multidimensional Man
o Leader
o Teacher
o Lover
o Entertainer


• The Ultimate Mantra for shit testing:
“Perfect, exactly what I needed to move forward”
“You’ve got me figured out”


Attachment
• When you interpret a woman’s objection or shit test as personal, final and fatal

Example:
You are too old for me/too young/not tall enough

• A big problem is the attachment which is its taken person, final, and fatal.

Example:
I like you but…

• This here is not final and it’s not fatal

• Best answer is “Well of course, but that’s until you met me”

• Play along with her objections

• Its about taking her out of autopilot

• Reverse Game-Its her that’s trying to do something

• We assume that its working against us.

• Why not be dillusional for a little bit? Better than letting it get under our skin.


Example:
I didn’t wear that dress for you
“That’s ok, I’ll settle for it…”


• 3 Levels of Progression

Level 1-Open
Level 2-Keep things going from previous set
Level 3-Gives you opportunities to get things

• Vin’s 4 Assignments:

Assignment 1: Enter venues with a bit more dominance
Assignment 2: See, walk and talk to the woman
Assignment 3: Give yourself credit for at least being in the vicinity
Assignment 4: Give yourself credit for at least giving it a shot.



Escalation Stuff


Last minute Resistance
• We have to be honest at times with her
• What’s known as LMR, isn’t LMR at all. Do dual direction game: Give it, take it away.
• Avoid going in only one direction.

• Example response if you run into that scenario:
“Listen your a lot of fun, if you promise me you wont do anything crazy”

• This helps them embrace what is going on in their own mind.

Group logistics for leaving with her
• If she’s worried about the friends or she’s afraid the friends will intervene.
Response: “You know what, trying to dump your friends? BAD GIRL!”

• Reframe her restrictions
“This but not that…”
“If you promise your not ..”
“If your not the crazy type who does this or that….then we can at least text each
other. Ohhh I can tell these fingers text quite well.”

• If worst comes to worst, seed a meetup for later.

• Escalating properly:

• Get the Edge:
Example: Your lips are real close but not having kissed yet.

• Restricted Requests




Bedroom
• Problems in the bedroom is guys go linear.

• Use utilization and move forward.

• “What have you done to your friend?” if friend objections and keep moving forward.

• Once doing things, use these things to escalate. Lead her away but strongly.


Comfort

• Blunt Honesty!

• “You know what, your so nice on the outside….but bored on the inside….your just going along with it”

• Element of Expressing Disappointment.

• Attraction and Comfort both at the same time!!!!


More objections and struggles

• We take the distractions as logical

• Anything of concern, bring it up on the approach without apologizing.

I haven’t talked to my friends in a while.

o “Of course you want to have a conversation with your friend and blow it out of proportion!”

o “Lets go! Me first!”

o “I understand…but you’ve seen more of her than me. Listen, I know you want to talk to your friend, at least we’ll stay in touch.”


• Play with getting the number

• Be the man who’s free


She rolls her eyes

o “The way you shake your head/roll your eyes….we need you to get a specialist”
o “Do it one more time!”

• Get known responses.

I don’t give my number out
o “Of course its not like we’re going to move in together, and exchange information”
o “Perfect…now that I know your not gonna try to marry me, atleast lets sit down for a sec”
o If you sense resistance with this, go to the opposite way. “Is your bf ok? I’ve been to an organization with women who’ve been treated crap with men.”

Her about to leave.
“Since you have to go, lets atleast properly say good bye(kiss her)”

• Be persistent, but not stubborn

After that, went to Public Bar with Zengame. It was bleh, met up with Quincy. Then went to ESL, to where he was watching me do my thing. He was doing some approaches as well.

I feel I did fine but noticed where I could improve. Curly brunette was ideal...she had to go. Nothing I could do further. when a girl is that hesitant to give the number...she might flake. Very good persistence with the number on my part. Make the ho say no. Its to where its uncomfortable for a girl to do it. Mine as well use that to our advantage.

The Italian girl I was doing fine with it, was just the logistics of it all. But don't be afraid or hold back when she came with a male. I guess I hold back because it just seems to be energy consuming when a male is there plus deep down im a bit nervous when a male might try to stop us. The worst that he can do is pull her away. That's it. The ethiopian girl with the guy, all I had to do was stay there and be friendly. Once she seemed hooked, I isolate her and tell him we'll be back. Remember, she's not his property.


I handled the objections well. Make the ho say no. I think I overdid it a bit. Say it once and that's it. The blonde girl was crazy....just next time....say it once and continue to talk about whatever. Its fine to play off at first but don't overdo it. Keep it up. The blonde couldn't believe how you were reversing the words on her. I think in this case, no need to overdo it. I think I overdid it a bit. You remained unaffected when she was shocked that you touched her face. With the work thing, it might've came off a bit prickish but that's ok. Also, one thing is you brought about the ox habits again. Be in the zone with her, no need to feel you have to push through the end of time.

Noticed one of the girls who was there, walked home by herself after she said goodbye to her friends. Now your starting to understand logistics more Steve!

Starbuck's Post on Seeding and Logistics

Yes this is a common problem..

Unlike men, most younger women do not plan sex. It just happens. Therefore you have to be there when it happens and when they want it.

Difficult to do when you show up at the club too early and before the women have had a chance to get warmed up. The idea of course is to let other guys buy them drinks and entertain them, but you go home with them. After most of the other guys have left, gotten drunk, become frustrated like you, etc..

So, show up to the club later, and use alcohol to your advantage. Then work your game as usual. Have your logistics worked out in advance.

Prime time to show up at a club that closes at 2am is 12 midnight.

If you're trying to take a chick home at 10pm most of the time she's not going to be willing for a variety of reasons and regardless of how tight your game is. Her friends who are still unoccupied and who are looking out for her are one reason.

And some chicks will simply not have casual sex or go home with a guy they just met at a bar. Etch this into your cranium and don't let it affect you. Go immediately to plan B which is number close, or see her next time, etc..


What happens to many guys is they take these rejections early in the night and personalize it.

This is a mistake. And affects their attitude.

Being patient can be frustrating sometimes. So I know your pain.

Just hang in there, plant the seed, nurture it and make sure you're around for the harvest. When the fruit is ripe it will fall right off the tree.

TerminateHer's Notes

TerminaterHer: Closing Mentality Workshop Notes

Here are the notes.

Thanks SUPERMAN!

Playing It Safe

* Don't wait for "The Magic Moment", make it happen
* If you're after the skill, don't play it safe

Preparation

* Know logistics around you
* Identify sketchy spots
* Know wing signals (for winging, ejecting, isolating, car pulling, etc)

Being That Risk Taker

* Hesitation is unattractive
* REGRET is your enemy, not "rejection"
* Do you want to have a conversation or escalate?
* Don't be afraid of being creepy or getting caught

Plausible Deniabilty

* Avoids triggering ASD
* Seed a reason (i.e. CD, etc) multiple times in conversation (beginning, middle, end)

Car Pulls

* Less compliance required compared to going back to your/her place
* Have a reason (i.e. CD, etc)
* Park in dark sketchy areas
* If interrupted by obstacle (cock blocking friend, dude, etc) interject and derail their conversation. Also have her tell the cock block what you're doing (i.e. you're going to show her your CD)
* FTC by saying you will probably never see each other

Kiss Closes

* Establishes sexuality
* Assume you'll never see her again
* Closing mentality
* Shows you're not a pussy
* Pushes comfort zone
* Do what the fuck you want
* Don't get blown out for NOT escalating
* Don't be the "Tacky Make Out Guy", be the first one to pull away and keep the sexual tension there

Closing Mentality

* Are you in the game or pretending? Then start to fuckin' close
* Don't stop at the number close
* Women love sex, Cosmo quote about telling girls to pull the next cute guy they're flirting with into the bathroom for some fun
* My Secret Garden by Nancy Friday, helps with limiting beliefs and inner game about women not loving sex
* Let them know that you know that they love sex

Why Have Sex In Crazy Places

* It's easy
* Living with your parents excuse (The OPPOSITE of CLOSING mentality)
* TerminateHer was staying over at parents house and setup a day 2 at Gtown mall
* He wanted to go to her house, she suggested a movie. He delayed going by stopping by the mall
* Suggests stealing candy to set mischievous frame, shows up late in movie theater has to seat in front row w/girl
* Still ends up making out w/her before the movie even starts
* Tries to bounce to "Car Bar", she doesn't comply, he persists and bounces her to another movie
* Go to different movie, end up in the back and gets girl to stroke his dill in the back. Then bounces her outside
* Leads to his car by saying parents are looking for him and they run (increases buying temperature)
* TerminateHer ends up getting BJ in back of the car
* Suggest they wear a cute skirt for day 2s, makes it easier for you to fuck
* You can fuck close in daytime!

Places To Pull

* Stairwells (go to the top, no one takes the elevator from the top floor)
* Emergency exits (most are fake and don't work, check to see if there's a small alarm box, try it, worst case alarm goes off and you can just run for it)
* Work utility closet: Met up with girl in college dorm, roommates where busy in the room, so he ends up fucking her in closet he found in the hallway
* Metro: Play game where you bounce girl from cart to cart every time train stops. Keep doing until you find an empty cart, normally the one w/the conductor and he always has to face the front, so you can fuck in the back
* Dressing Room: Setup Day 2 for window shopping, have her help you try on clothes. Tell the people you're a couple if they give you a hard time
* Place girls hands on the wall when trying to escalate and fuck while standing up, reduces their LMR, shows dominance

Daytime

* Insta-date before going for a number close
* Insta-date can be anywhere
* That night!
* False time constraint (FTC), you're busy will probably never see each other
* No Day 3s, assume you will never see each other
* Kiss close

Pulling Out of The Venue

* Seed the pull (i.e. show her a CD, etc)
* Give plausible deniability
* Move her around the venue before you go for the pull (Compliance)
* Pump her BT w/makeout
* Talk sexual (Mystery's Questions Game)

Learning Closing Mentality

* Travel somewhere where you will never see the girls again
* Will force you to FTC, tell them you're there to make bad decisions
* Make a girl that's just a friend, and talk about pickup indirectly, will help with your inner game
* Do it for the skill

Services

* 1 on 1 coaching
* Daygame
* http://terminateher.com